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Shameless crosspost. After all, why keep it to one part of the community?



Back to 2011. Out of school, I passed the final exam, all cool. I have to choose a course in university/engineering school. I'm lost among all the possible choices. I enjoy geeking and coding so it seems natural that I make my life into that. I go to that public engieering school my parents recommend me. Okay, not terribly bad...

... except that if you want to be a developer, you're fucked. The engineering school trains you to be the perfect manager, so you can go create a start-up to sell smart Q-tips. I later went to university, but they want to get you into research.


Where am I now? Over time, I have lost most of my will to code. blargSNES was my most successful project and probably my last one.

My course is a failure. Friends from the engineering school are already finishing their course and getting an intership or job. I have failed two years. I moved to a different place where the local university rejected me with a bullshit pretext.

My resume is worthless. I'm a beginner with zero experience, an unfinished and chaotic course, two worthless internships in dad's company, and crap projects that are either dumb assignments or my ever-unfinished side projects. Any rival I will have will have a neatly finished course, interesting internships, amazing projects to show off, all that.

During an interview, I can't even sell myself. I look and sound like the idiot with no self-confidence. If I try to speak my nice discourse, I just end up looking like a fool who's unaware of the reality.

Long story short, my interest for coding has vanished, and I will never get a job in that domain.


I have kept wondering about all this for a while. I talked about it to my parents. Dad said that I should take time to figure out what I want to do in life; good point. Mom brushed it off as "you say that because it's getting hard and you're lazy"; typical from her.

I moved away from them because mom's bullshit was getting on my nerves (basically trying to force me into her way, etc). Had I stayed home, I would have been enticed and pressured to continue univ and retry the year I failed, only to fail again.


I have one last hope to get a job as a developer. I don't have too high hopes, but who knows? I should know by the end of the week.

If that fails, I'll work a 'crapo' job for this year. Basically whatever I'd need to sustain myself.


What to do for the next year though?

Applying to univ again? Their course is less sucky than the one I was in last year. I have a feeling they'll trash me again, but can always try I guess.

Saying "fuck that shit" and going a completely different way? I could be a plumber or work into electricity or whatever. I have always enjoyed building things and helping my parents renovate their house (and in the shithole they live in, it atleast gave me something to do). It's more fulfilling than sitting at a computer all day long (interneting and geeking around is really less fulfilling for me than it was back in 2011, too).


Dunno. Any advice is welcome on this matter.

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I recently ended a year of unemployment; I was able to support this via having a lot of savings (from an internship I got via nepotism), a fiancee willing to pay my rent, and being from a wealthy family, but I don't recommend it...

Honestly I think the thing one has to do in the current job market is that you can't be picky; search for broad terms and apply for any job you think you could do-- my tracker lists 329 jobs I applied to in the end. 57 of which had any grounds for further note (usually a phone interview and not much more). And in a large number of fields; generally I would just search Indeed for "entry level" followed by one or two terms. Though I do have a Master's, I think our situations are not incomparable-- my MS is in Physics, a field where you really need a PhD to do anything, so I was mostly applying to jobs my degree didn't cover.

One thing I learned in the tech field is that people really do like to see code, etc. Having a GitHub has been very valuable even with my pathetic examples... For example, in the current job I got, an interviewer specifically asked me about Aspect Star 2-- wasn't a gaming industry or even a position where I do much coding, but it bolstered my claim to having tech skills and knowledge despite lacking a CS degree.

I don't know much about the trades, but it seems like a good option if that's what you're interested in. People are always going to need plumbers and electricians. (Presumably you'd have to go to a trade school?)


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I recently ended a year of unemployment; I was able to support this via having a lot of savings (from an internship I got via nepotism), a fiancee willing to pay my rent, and being from a wealthy family, but I don't recommend it...

Kind of the same here, save for the lack of fiancee.

I did two internships, both in my dad's company. But on the other hand, the engineering school I was at asked for incredibly dumb one-month internships that don't exist (or that do exist but have no relation with what you're studying).


The job interview I was at Wednesday was really different from what you described though. Was the old-fashioned crap where only professional experience and diplomas matter. Oh, and basically telling me that I'm an idiot with no sense of reality. You moved here because you like the place? Haha, fool! I only move somewhere if I have a deadly job opportunity! Also you should choose one very specific domain and stick to it! God forbid you try to 'just get a job', you must have a full career plan from day one and never stray away from it!

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The job interview I was at Wednesday was really different from what you described though. Was the old-fashioned crap where only professional experience and diplomas matter. Oh, and basically telling me that I'm an idiot with no sense of reality. You moved here because you like the place? Haha, fool! I only move somewhere if I have a deadly job opportunity! Also you should choose one very specific domain and stick to it! God forbid you try to 'just get a job', you must have a full career plan from day one and never stray away from it!

I'm used to the tech industry in here and to an even greater degree, the Bay Area (due to my failed move), where they have a strong "startup"-type atmosphere... the downside of that is, of course, there's often a focus on the "latest trends" and such, which I know you dislike. (Also open-office floorplans are terrible and I'm so glad my company doesn't do that)


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I have tried applying to startups too, only for them to trash my applications.


Anyway, depends what the 'latest trends' are, I'm not just technophobic. I'd have no problem working into SaaS for example. Anything hipsterweb can go fuck itself. I like being proud of what I build; how could I be proud of a hundred-megabyte Hipsterscript behemoth exhibiting every bad modern practice? And working for a company that mades some useless smart gadget? No thanks. The "IoT" trend is pointless in general and has the potential to become a major environmental disaster.



Well, for now, I'm going to work a 'crapo' job. Not a permanent solution, but will let me find out things (and, uh, get money).

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Starting with a low-down job provides you with an income. You can later use that income to assist in further pursuits of better jobs or opportunities.

The best job though is one you enjoy. If you enjoy things like plumbing and the like - look into it.


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StapleButter
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Well, yeah. I could enjoy programming, but...

I really enjoy it more when it's a hobby, no constraints, etc... and these times I have lost a lot of will to code or undertake projects.

Programming into a company is, well, diverse. You can land into the company where things are all nice, you get along with your colleagues, etc... but you can also land in a hellhole run by idiots who think productivity increases linearly with pressure. Xkeeper landed in one of those and does he sound happy? Not quite. There's also Xeon who mentioned that 'work is hell' but not much more details unfortunately.

Aside from that, the best work is the work that is diverse, and not doing the same thing over and over again.

Regarding plumbing and all that, the main issue would be that, while I have learnt how to do some things by helping my parents, I have never officially studied that, so I have zero official experience. Studying that is normally a choice you make at high school (it makes you go to a special 'professional' high school, and I went to the regular one). It is possible to get in by other ways, but not quite sure how. I should start looking it up for next year, provided I want to do that. Atleast it's the guarantee I'll get diverse work.

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