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Which do you want, Liberalism, Conservatism or some other Ideology
Liberalism
Conservatism
Other (choose this and then explain)
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Swingball
Posted on 08-21-17 02:10 AM Link | ID: 100849

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So looking towards the 2020 Election, I'm gonna go third-party, two-party is overrated. But what do you guys think? Which Ideology are you guys?

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Posted on 08-21-17 03:10 AM (rev. 2 of 08-21-17 03:10 AM by AtomicAstro) Link | ID: 100850

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I'm not really affiliated with any particular political idealogy, maybe it's just because I don't care enough about politics but I've never felt comfortable saying "Hey, I'm _________" I think regardless of my political views I will say that reeeally hardcore liberals are some of the most insufferable people to walk this earth.

Also as far as any sort of elections go unless the two candidates are Kenan Thompson and Kel Mitchell I couldn't care less.

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Posted on 08-27-17 10:09 PM Link | ID: 101086
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I vote yellow over here.



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Posted on 08-28-17 10:55 PM Link | ID: 101153

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First of all, I'm honestly baffled a topic like this is in Craziness and not in Officer's Club given how volatile it can get, but whatever. I'm biting anyway.

Politically speaking, I tend to lean moderate Republican, but I don't consider myself conservative, though I know some people who would label me as such.

I'm still registered Republican, but I didn't vote for Trump, and I've crossed party lines when necessary in the past. I'm deeply dissatisfied with the rhetoric coming from both camps lately, and I'm not even talking about those holding office right now. I am more than a simple label, and I'm betting so are you.

The real question is not "What does my neighbor think", but "Why"?

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Posted by Robbie Rage
First of all, I'm honestly baffled a topic like this is in Craziness and not in Officer's Club given how volatile it can get, but whatever. I'm biting anyway.
Just what I was thinking. I'm on it.


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Posted on 08-29-17 05:29 AM Link | ID: 101210
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I've seen enough on both sides to know I want nothing to do with any of it.

My family is staunchly conservative, and I don't like Trump. Neither what he has actually done, or what the morons on the left and in the media has painted him as doing.

I used to consider myself fairly liberal until third-wave feminism and the SJWs started taking it over and shrieking how much they hate me for being sexist and racist based on nothing more than my sex and race. Fucking hypocrites.

Don't get me wrong, I understand that there is a modicum of merit to feminism and social justice, but when the vocal retards are ruining it for everyone, I don't want to be any part of it. Especially the identity politicking of it all.

The fact that a lot of people I used to have a lot of respect for are poutting on their blinders to everything they don't agree with (this goes for conservative and liberals alike), I tend to just wanting to distance myself from it all.

Which brings me to the point of the jackoffs that say "If you don't want to be political, it's you 'privilege' and 'status' that allows you to be! You should be concerned for everyone." Fuckers, no I shouldn't. I have my own problems, and I would sooner sort my own life out than shove my dick into places it doesn't belong.

Let the hate roll because I have a primarily anti-left attitude and 90% of the people I interact with have their heads shoved so far up the left's (and their own) ass, they have to clear their throat to ask permission to fart.

I would probably have more anger toward the right if I wasn't so surrounded by people that pushed me in the direction of agreeing with it.


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Posted on 08-29-17 12:41 PM Link | ID: 101219

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Posted by Trelior
I've seen enough on both sides to know I want nothing to do with any of it.

My family is staunchly conservative, and I don't like Trump. Neither what he has actually done, or what the morons on the left and in the media has painted him as doing.

I used to consider myself fairly liberal until third-wave feminism and the SJWs started taking it over and shrieking how much they hate me for being sexist and racist based on nothing more than my sex and race. Fucking hypocrites.

Don't get me wrong, I understand that there is a modicum of merit to feminism and social justice, but when the vocal retards are ruining it for everyone, I don't want to be any part of it. Especially the identity politicking of it all.

The fact that a lot of people I used to have a lot of respect for are poutting on their blinders to everything they don't agree with (this goes for conservative and liberals alike), I tend to just wanting to distance myself from it all.

Which brings me to the point of the jackoffs that say "If you don't want to be political, it's you 'privilege' and 'status' that allows you to be! You should be concerned for everyone." Fuckers, no I shouldn't. I have my own problems, and I would sooner sort my own life out than shove my dick into places it doesn't belong.

Let the hate roll because I have a primarily anti-left attitude and 90% of the people I interact with have their heads shoved so far up the left's (and their own) ass, they have to clear their throat to ask permission to fart.

I would probably have more anger toward the right if I wasn't so surrounded by people that pushed me in the direction of agreeing with it.


Actually, I agree with virtually everything you've said.

We live in an age with unprecedented levels of communication capability, yet it seems like people seem to be far more interested in spraying their opinions and emotionally-driven reactions whenever and wherever they can above anything else. That's not how you build connections with people and change minds.

Posted by Trelior
You should be concerned for everyone." Fuckers, no I shouldn't.


I understand what you mean here, but this is one of the few points I somewhat disagree with you on. I believe we should be concerned for everyone, but you simply cannot force empathy by shouting and vilifying people you disagree with. I truly do want to care, but I find myself growing more apathetic by the day each time someone tells me what I should feel or retweets a hashtag in what feels like nothing more than the emptiest of gestures.

I am a human. I cannot relate to a hashtag, label, or pronoun. I relate to humans, and there's more to them than any one thing.

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Posted on 08-30-17 05:20 AM Link | ID: 101275
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Posted by Robbie Rage"
someone tells me what I should feel or retweets a hashtag in what feels like nothing more than the emptiest of gestures

Keyboard warrior slacktivism at its finest.

If these people cared as much as they say they do, they wouldn't be slapping their keyboards, shrieking at other people to do it for them.

I, personally, know I'm powerless. It's not that I don't care, it's that I know I can do nothing about it and accept my lot in the predicament.


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Robbie Rage
Posted on 08-30-17 04:22 PM Link | ID: 101279

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Posted by Trelior
I, personally, know I'm powerless. It's not that I don't care, it's that I know I can do nothing about it and accept my lot in the predicament.


Calling bullshit on that.

You have the power to change yourself. You have the power to listen to your friends and neighbors. You have the power to conduct yourself in a better manner than those who vilify you. And you have more power to influence and expand the minds of others than you think.

The problem is not our lack of power. The problem is that we are driving each other to not care.

Swingball
Posted on 08-30-17 04:38 PM (rev. 2 of 08-30-17 04:51 PM by Swingball) Link | ID: 101281

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Is democratic socialism ideal way to govern? Are we better without any party? What party is universally ideal across the world and has there been a third-party who already tried that?

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you are powerful when you group with others


see also: antifascist protesters booting fascists out multiple times



other than that, I don't believe into "standard" politics. direct action is far more efficient than voting for X or Y and watching them fuck you over.

I don't pretend to have all the answers, but I believe we need an entirely different system. the current one has been proven to be a utter trainwreck.

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Maybe so, but I refuse to go to a protest that I personally have no stake in.

I don't agree with the idiots on the left who see everyone as Nazis and fascists. In fact, I think they're blowing things out of proportion. The same goes for the idiots on the right who see every lesfy as a communist. Both sides are feeding into bullshit from the media and need to think for themselves for once.

Additionally,. in the words of President Franklin Delano Roosevelt: Fascism will come to this country under the name of those who claim to be against it.

And I'll be damned if it doesn't look like he's right. These so-called antifa retards are the most totalitarian-wishing asshats I've ever seen.


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Posted on 09-04-17 02:17 AM (rev. 2 of 09-04-17 02:18 AM by StapleButter) Link | ID: 101448
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I don't think leftists are exaggerating when people show up to alt/far Right rallies with fucking Nazi flags.

This shit may be far from representing the whole Right, but it's still a thing.

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Considering how a flag is nothing more than a piece of cloth, who's to say that the "flag carrying Nazis" aren't plants?


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One of those "plants" rammed into a protester crowd with their car, injuring many and killing one.


So no, it's not "just a piece of cloth". It's not just a pretty show for nostalgics. There is actual violence behind this shit.

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