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Kiyoshi
Posted on 03-22-12 01:01 AM, in Kafuka's CitiHall: "Scattered before you there are three tomes.." Link | ID: 10101
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Post #10101, now that's a cool number!

...No wait, it's just #21 in binary :(

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Posted on 03-22-12 01:28 AM, in please don't post here, having such a huge backlog of questions scares me Link | ID: 10105
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Who of the boys here has the sexiest facial hair?

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Posted on 03-22-12 01:21 PM, in The Kafuka Photo Album Link | ID: 10137
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Posted by GreyMaria
I have a better beard than Kiyoshi.

Why? Because I actually have a beard.
My goatie did not qualify me to compete in the Battle of the Beards anyway.

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Posted on 03-22-12 01:24 PM, in Where do you buy your games from? Link | ID: 10138
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I buy actual game discs, but at an online store. I see no option for this in the poll.

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Posted on 03-22-12 01:27 PM, in Text editors (rev. 2 of 03-22-12 01:32 PM by Kiyoshi) Link | ID: 10139
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Posted by Liliana
Actually, when looking back at typewriters this makes sense - CR moves the paper to the right so you can start a new line, and LF advances to the next line. It makes only sense that you'd usually use them together.
In times of dot-matrix and daisy-wheel printers, this was indeed very logical. Then there was the CR/LF or LF/CR debate, but it worked in both ways for these printers.

Edit: makes me remember how I used this simple batch file to make printers go crazy and annoy sysadmins.

:top
echo ^L > prn
goto top


For the ones not familiar with DOS, ^L meets Ctrl+L, which is ASCII code 12, known as form feed or paper feed.

Also, why is the code tag not using a monospace font?

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Posted on 03-22-12 01:35 PM, in Kafuka's CitiHall: "Scattered before you there are three tomes.." Link | ID: 10140
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Posted by Gywall
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Kiyoshi gets all the cool people post numbers. It's no fair.
He even got the post id that matches my userid in binary.
On the other hand, you have nice new wave 80's band in your sidebar.

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Posted on 03-22-12 01:51 PM, in Browser Wars™ Link | ID: 10145
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Posted by Ailure
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I see a general opinion from a fair few of "I'm happy with it, so I'll stay with it" in general. >_>
I encourage everyone to try all of the big 5, they are all different ways to experience the web.
It was an interesting adventure for me when I did :)
When Opera and Internet Explores goes open source, I try em. Otherwise I stay the hell away, I always bias towards Open source unless the advantage of the propriety version is huge. Which I found to be overblown by people sometimes too.

I do agree that flash is a piece of shit nowadays. I would love to see HTML5 video totally replacing it (youtube have a HTML5 beta that works fine, but... it seems to be stuck in a typical google eternal beta phase).

I use Firefox, but I like the webkit engine as well.
Why the strong tendency towards open-source?
In my experience, free closed-source software often has much higher quality code, better stability, and a more consistent interface. Piriform's software is a great example of this.
The "many eyeballs make bug-free code"-effect of open-source has not only been debunked, but it often leads to an inconsistent software design model because you don't get a community of thousands of developers to agree on anything. Look at how many different looks Firefox extensions have, for example.
Open-source software is always made with IT enthousiasts in mind, that's why many people still use Windows, you need a solid company design model to keep software user-friendly.

Opera has clearly stated that their browser will never be open-source, and it basically comes down to the reasons above. They don't want to drown it in a pool of tweakers and geeks.

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Posted on 03-22-12 02:19 PM, in please don't post here, having such a huge backlog of questions scares me Link | ID: 10148
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Posted by Liliana
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Who of the boys here has the sexiest facial hair?


> assuming I like facial hair
I hope you can make Kawa shave more?
He often forgets that.

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Posted on 03-22-12 04:10 PM, in Kafuka's CitiHall: "Scattered before you there are three tomes.." Link | ID: 10160
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Kiyoshi gets all the cool people post numbers. It's no fair.
He even got the post id that matches my userid in binary.
On the other hand, you have nice new wave 80's band in your sidebar.
I don't get the reference.. >_>
Level 42.

It's no fun if I have to explain it :P

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Posted on 03-22-12 04:50 PM, in Browser Wars™ (rev. 2 of 03-22-12 05:07 PM by Kiyoshi) Link | ID: 10169
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Posted by Liliana
The main problem is that open source is usually = cross-platform. And cross-platform applications tend to use an interface which may be uniform across all platforms, but doesn't fit with other applications at all.
Many closed-source software also is, and trying to be native is hard but often done. Opera and Piriform are again great examples.

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In my experience, free closed-source software often has much higher quality code, better stability, and a more consistent interface.
Open or closed source is irrelevant to this. I seen horrible examples of UI and stability in both closed and open software. Main advantage is that it's harder to include a backdoor in open source software (it's pretty much isn't a secret that Skype have backdoors).
Open-source software mostly has more security holes though. It should be the other way around when anyone can read the code, you would think.

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The "many eyeballs make bug-free code"-effect of open-source has not only been debunked, but it often leads to an inconsistent software design model because you don't get a community of thousands of developers to agree on anything. Look at how many different looks Firefox extensions have, for example.
Opera have extenstions as well. I doubt that they would all be consistent as well. Closed source software is not consistent itself to start with, there is tonnes of examples within Microsoft software of this, famously with how the open dialog can vary between different MS software for no reason at all.
Opera allows HTML/CSS/JS extensions only. Firefox's XUL allows deep access to the code, that's why these extensions can be very unsafe, and XUL is exploited a lot.
The open dialog is different from one app to another, but that is mostly the app's fault. At least we don't se radically different designs as the freedom is limited to just a few types.
Windows and Mac OS X both have a solid design philosophy, avoiding the fragmentation hell Linux and Android have.

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Open-source software is always made with IT enthousiasts in mind, that's why many people still use Windows, you need a solid company design model to keep software user-friendly.
You certainly hadn't used a userfriendly Linux distro recently, as some of them they are made with some rather strict design models, and are a bit userfriendlier to install than Windows! Sometimes taking a direction I don't agree with that seems to produce actually less productive interface (Ubuntu) but then again it's not like closed source is innocent (Ribbon and Metro). Yes, some software are made for enthusiasts and clearly aren't catering to the average user. But there is also plenty of userfriendly stuff.
I have tried many distros over the last 10 years. So many different packages, desktops, configuration files etc. seems like they have learned almost nothing in the past 10 years. Simply because there is no solid design philosophy. The installer being easy like the one of Windows 7 is a first step, but the desktop environments nowadays just want to look flashy and don't care about stability or consistency. Even with well-developed ones like KDE or Gnome you still need the command line and the package manager a lot.
The 3 distros I have found to be somewhat close to user-friendly are OpenSUSE (at least it welcomes you nicely), Ultimate Edition (great out of the box but a bit too flashy and crashy) and Knoppix (many useful things preinstalled but confusing at times). Don't even start about the overrated Ubuntu.
Of course this won't matter to an enthousiast as you, but if Linux is ever going to want a serious market share, Torvalds will have to do things like making some tight design constraints, and make much more things work with just a mouse. In other words, make Linux consistent and solid. But if he does that the fanboys will complain because they lost their freedom...
If freedom is worth more to you than anything else, go for it of course. But I prefer stability, consistency and quality code. Don't just count some flaws of MS, look at companies like Opera and Piriform (CCleaner, Defraggler, Speccy) as well.

The Office 2007/2010 Ribbons? I did not like them at first, but it visualizes things a lot more, which is actually better. It just takes some time to get used to if you have used the classic Office since 1992 like I did, but when you have never worked with Office before it's much less confusing than tons of toolbars and menu options.

Metro? It works pretty well on tablets, on the desktop not so much (although since the beta you can do everything wiith the mouse). I will stay at Windows 7 for now, and I expect Windows 9 to be pretty awesome, as there is a clear suck-rule-suck-rule pattern in Windows releases (8, 7, Vista, XP, Me, 98, 95, 3.1).

Edit: only 152 coins for such a long post?

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Posted on 03-22-12 08:28 PM, in Browser Wars™ Link | ID: 10186
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Posted by Ailure
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Open-source software mostly has more security holes though. It should be the other way around when anyone can read the code, you would think.
Citation needed. It's also possible that more security exploits are reported with open source software than closed source ones. How would you know? You do know that Windows and a lot of other software does base itself on open source, BSD is open source as well. They didn't replace the BSD TCP/IP stack in Windows until Windows Vista.
I'm getting tired of linking Firefox Myths :P
But if holes are easy to find, the developers are not stupid either, they see them too.
Secunia advisories are mostly found through extensive testing and trial-and-error, not by looking at the code.

BSD? Isn't that were the closed-source high-priced Mac OS X is largely based on? ;)

I know @Ailure, I am not saying open source software is always a bad thing. I use some of them too, but most really feel like hobbyist projects, tailor-made to the developer's way of doing things, not to clear design constraints.
In your defense, let's not forget these constraints vary from company to company as well. This is why Microsoft is forcing their constraints, albeit mostly consisting of open standards like HTML5 and XAML, with Metro.

I am open to the idea of open-source though, but it's like communism.
It's free and accessible, but it's in people's nature to push their own ideas. There is not much integrity and consistency unless it's lead by a higher power.

This chat I had with @Nina might be an interesting read.

20:38 <Nina> Have you tried the latest version?
20:38 <Nina> Since 11.04 it got a huge boost in ease-of-use.
20:40 <Kiyoshi> There are way easier distros anyway
20:40 <Kiyoshi> The problem with Linux is mainly the lack of clear constraints
20:40 <Kiyoshi> Therefore it will always be a hobbyist project
20:41 <Nina> I still think you should give it a fair try. It is a really good OS, IMO.
20:42 <Kiyoshi> Ubuntu is overrated, you should try Ultimate Edition or OpenSUSE
20:43 <Nina> I've heard good things about SUSE, but I've never actually used it.
20:43 <Nina> But I'm happy with Arch as I have it now.
20:44 <Kiyoshi> Arch
20:44 <Kiyoshi> That is a difficult distro though
20:44 <Nina> Yeah. I'm not saying you should try that.
20:44 <Nina> I like to tinker with and customize my system, so Arch is nice for me.
20:46 <Kiyoshi> Downloading ubuntu-11.10-dvd-amd64.iso
20:48 <Kiyoshi> I have a few distros to try
20:48 <Nina> The WUBI thing creates a boot entry that loads a virtual disk of Ubuntu, BTW.
20:48 <Nina> Should be completely safe and won't touch Windows.
20:48 <Kiyoshi> I just don't understand what people find so special about open source
20:48 <Nina> Open source is great... In many cases. But not good in some.
20:48 <Nina> Like, look at drivers.
20:48 <Kiyoshi> If an open source app is better than a closed source, I will use it
20:49 <Nina> There is open-source drivers for ATI and NVIDIA cards.
20:49 <Nina> Do they get the job done? Yes.
20:49 <Nina> Can you play games with them? Nope!
20:49 <Kiyoshi> I know, but both ATI and NVIDIA provide Linux drivers, albeit closed source
20:49 <Nina> (Well, technically you can, if you don't mind graphical glitches and low framerates, but well)
20:50 <Nina> That was just to give an example.
20:50 <Nina> An example of where closed-source beats open-source.
20:50 <Kiyoshi> I just don't understand why people like you, Ailure or Nova prefer open source over closed source nearly every time
20:51 <Nina> I prefer open-source when the closed-source alternative is not better for what I want to do.
20:51 <Kiyoshi> The open source software apps I use are Notepad++ and MediaCoder, and I see a lot that can be improved in both, but I don't see a better alternative for them
20:52 <Nina> The thing is, that lot that can be improved... You could improve it, if you can code.
20:52 <Nina> That's the nice thing about OSS right there.
20:55 <Kiyoshi> Sadly though, a lot of people want to bring improvements, but the idea of "better" is something people have very different opinions on
20:55 <Kiyoshi> The result is either fragmentation, like with the many distros, or the program barely improving because there are only a few shared opinions on what to improve in what way
20:56 <Nina> This is very true.
20:56 <Nina> And fragmentation and all those distros is a problem about GNU/Linux.
20:56 <Kiyoshi> Fragmentation does not have to be a bad thing per se though
20:57 <Kiyoshi> I mean, Linux is very customizable
20:57 <Kiyoshi> But that's of no use to Average Joe
20:59 <Nina> Exactly.
20:59 <Nina> This is, IMO, where a distro like Ubuntu comes into play.
20:59 <Nina> Because Ubuntu is different. it offers what the others don't.
20:59 <Nina> They made their own desktop, their own cloud services, etc.
21:01 <Kiyoshi> Yes, what Ailure is saying to, they are trying to become a serious OS with design constraints


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Posted on 03-22-12 08:53 PM, in Browser Wars™ (rev. 2 of 03-22-12 08:55 PM by Kiyoshi) Link | ID: 10205
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Posted by GreyMaria
I still use Firefox 3.
Yet in another thread you complain about software using too much memory.

Posted by Nicole
I mean, yes they crapped all over the UI to make a Chrome clone, but thankfully it's still customizable enough that you can change it back.
Firefox 4.0's interface was an almost identical copy of Opera 10.50, actually.

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Posted by Ailure
The browsers have been copying from each other for a long time now. Nothing new. ;)
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I'm getting tired of linking Firefox Myths :P
A source from 2006 is not very relevant. Keep in mind is that when Firefox userbase grew the most too. Chrome didn't even exist yet! I looked up the Firefox myths page and eh, if you use that source in any kind of browser wars debate then sorry it's just too outdated. It was correct in 2006 but not today.
It was made to counter the fanboys. Even Firefox users get tired of fanboy arguments some times.
And if you actually take the time to read it, you will see most of what is there is still relevant, just not the parts that specifically mention the outdated Firefox versions.
And then still, many switched around 2005 by believing the myths, and still cling to it like a religion nowadays.

Before the thread derails even more; as I stated before, I am trying to encourage people to try different browsers, and post their findings here. Why I link to Firefox Myths, is that I am tired of countering the 7-year old fanboy arguments every time :P

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The Kawaii Thread needs more love :(
The parody is more successful, while the original has been forgotten.



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Posted on 03-22-12 09:57 PM, in Kawaii thread (thread needs even more love than Trelior's thread!) Link | ID: 10223
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[Insert picture of @Liliana in a school girl outfit with bunny ears here]

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Posted on 03-22-12 09:59 PM, in please don't post here, having such a huge backlog of questions scares me Link | ID: 10224
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What kind of animal ears would look the cutest on you?

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GreyMaria, we need you to do many 1-word posts again :P

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Posted by Liliana
Why so economical? Why reuse the same thread multiple times?

This board isn't running on some tiny 200 MB hard drive with Windows 95, you know.
I used to have a 160 MB hard drive in the DOS days, and I used DoubleSpace to make it 240 MB.
The hard drive was already nearly full when I got the PC for Christmas in 1994. I deleted Packard Bell Navigator and a demo AVI, and that saved me 60 MB!
But the most fun was when I did a 13-hour defrag, which increased my DoubleSpace ratio to 1.6 in the end, giving me an extra 16 MB!!!!! :wow:

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Posted on 03-22-12 10:13 PM, in Who will be the third person to reach 1000 posts? (rev. 2 of 03-22-12 10:14 PM by Kiyoshi) Link | ID: 10235
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Posted by Liliana
What? Just so I fail? Why would you want me to fail?
As I told you before, I don't want you to fail, but I don't know if GreyMaria wants you to fail...

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