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theninja1000
Posted on 12-19-17 06:45 PM Link | ID: 113382

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Better late than never, because now it matters more than ever.

What is net neutrality?
Net Neutrality is the principle that all ISPs have to enable all content no matter what it is, without demanding extra charge for consumers to access that content.

FCC Chairman 'Ajit Pai', or some people like to call him 'A Cheap Pie' or 'A shit pie'. He is the one leading this idea. He's been brought in by Donald Trump to nuke net neutrality.

If Congress don't stop the FCC, American ISPs will be able to charge extra to access sites and view content. They can also block content they don't agree with if these rules are repealed; this means smaller businesses can't have their voices heard.

What can I do now to stop this?
We need you Americans now to call Congress, write a letter to them (using http://battleforthenet.com), and try to visit your local Congress member.

If you would like more information, visit http://battleforthenet.com

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This is an issue more centralised in the US. Now if they constrict access data servers for those even outside the US, there would be a major shift in data server locations from the US to the EU.

The EU has already put steps in to protect net neutrality.

It's a shame the EEA got absorbed into the EU. The marketplace rules are fantastic, as they provide more benefits for the consumers than those providing services.


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theninja1000
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Posted by Epele
This is an issue more centralised in the US. Now if they constrict access data servers for those even outside the US, there would be a major shift in data server locations from the US to the EU.

The EU has already put steps in to protect net neutrality.



Yeah, it could stop Europeans from accessing content stored on American servers.

The EU's net neutrality laws are apparently some of the strongest net laws in the world, too.

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Posted on 12-19-17 08:40 PM Link | ID: 113438
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But how could other countries follow suit from us getting rid of Net Neutrality is what I wanna know.

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Posted on 12-20-17 01:49 AM Link | ID: 113875

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I've said it elsewhere, but I'm convinced that nothing will come of it. It still needs to go through the courts, and the other court of public opinion has been long swayed.

Ajit Pai will likely be seen as a pariah for years to come.

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I've said it elsewhere, but I'm convinced that nothing will come of it. It still needs to go through the courts, and the other court of public opinion has been long swayed.

Ajit Pai will likely be seen as a pariah for years to come.

preach, man

it sucks but it's not the end of the world, the sun will always rise in the East :)

theninja1000
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But how could other countries follow suit from us getting rid of Net Neutrality is what I wanna know.


The UK will follow, once Brexit is finished. They want to transfer all EU laws into UK laws, but the political party that run our country, the Conservatives, all they're bothered about is money and nothing else.

Net neutrality is very likely to be abolished here in the coming years, too.

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Actually, the UK probably won't bother with getting rid of net neutrality. Even if it did, the ISPs here would be competitive and use the neutrality as a selling point.

The major difference between the UK and US is the number of ISPs available to the majority of people. US, a lot of people have the choice of one or two ISPs. UK, people have the choice over at least six major companies. There's also a lot of smaller ones too, so people have a lot more choice.


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Actually, the UK probably won't bother with getting rid of net neutrality. Even if it did, the ISPs here would be competitive and use the neutrality as a selling point.

The major difference between the UK and US is the number of ISPs available to the majority of people. US, a lot of people have the choice of one or two ISPs. UK, people have the choice over at least six major companies. There's also a lot of smaller ones too, so people have a lot more choice.

Don't the UK mostly use BT/Openreach lines for ISPs (excluding Virgin)?

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Your information has a slight hole in it there. BT and Openreach were forced apart by the regulator, as BT was using Openreach tactically to maintain a market advantage - prioritising repairs for BT customers, putting zero priority on repairs for customers on other providers.

Openreach is now neutral, and is only responsible for maintaining the network of cables.

Similarly, there's a lot of regulations provided by Ofcom which would severely limit any attempts to go against net neutrality. As such, a slowed down downstream service would allow people to end their contract for failing to provide the offered speed.


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Damn, thank god I'm moving to Virgin in August. Good thing we can keep our neutrality sane here.

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All I can get in my area is BT, Sky and TalkTalk.

BT = fastest, but most expensive and least value for money, TV is actually quite cheap
Sky = decent speeds, very expensive because they make you pay for TV (£21.50/m starter) and I guess they're going to follow Comcast as Sky have their own paid cable channels and streaming service
TalkTalk = similar speeds to Sky, shite customer support and they get hacked a lot.

We don't have any good ISPs round here, BT have awful customer service.

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Posted on 12-23-17 03:36 AM Link | ID: 116082
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I'll just continue to do my downloads and do what I can from a certain Onion application.

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theninja1000
Posted on 12-23-17 08:07 PM Link | ID: 116224

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...aaaand what if they restrict Onion?

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Posted on 12-23-17 08:42 PM (rev. 2 of 12-23-17 08:42 PM by Swingball) Link | ID: 116229
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They've got bridges and it's always updating.

But if that happens then I'll use VPN.

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theninja1000
Posted on 12-24-17 12:46 AM Link | ID: 116368

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....aaaaand what if they close off all the bridges and VPNs and make it illegal?

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don't consistently ask what if questions

that gets old very quickly

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oh ok, but it needed asking because I guess that's what the FCC will probably do

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There's no need for them to make methods to bypass anti-neutrality policies illegal. The ISPs being anti-neutral can simply just slow down your traffic through any services such as VPNs and the like.


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Which is why it’s important to fall back on the basics of being safe online and using common sense.

Sometimes I even try to do stuff WITHOUT the internet altogether.

Also that’s why I’m one user who’s binge downloading and possibly disconnecting my network when necessary.

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