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Thieppy
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hello again.


so, I now have a new laptop that doesn't require heavy duty pc coolers that I can take with me to vacation. that's good.
unfortunately, it lacks the data I use everyday on my old PC, and not having it handy during vacation would set me back quite a lot in my routine. in other words, I lack the time to make a proper setup (I'm also prone to forgetting key elements).

I've restorted to trying something I am unsure would theoretically work. and that is, to dual-boot my old computer's hard drive on my new laptop.

you see, my laptop comes with the boot drive being a SSD, and the storage drive being a HDD. so I made attempts at swapping the latter with the old PC's hard drive, which went fine.
however, while I can access the drive and assign it as storage drive, I cannot seem to select it from the 'Create new boot option' menu in the BIOS. the drive does not show up in the selection of bootable drives.
I feel I am lacking something, but I don't know what. I am running out of time as it is, so any help figuring stuff out would be greatly appreciated.


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Not knowing the full situation.. The first thing I would check is if Safeboot is enabled.. If so make sure to disable that just in case there are trust issues. If your older computer was using Bios based booting methods it could also be you don't have legacy boot enabled. See if that's the case make sure that's enabled.

Even if you get windows to boot from your old install be prepared for lots of driver stuff to resolve.. and others oddities. Windows doesn't play well when you change the hardware either so expect reactivation prompts and all that crap too. (Also let's say if it is a 'activation required' install you only get 2 activation before you have to call microsoft and beg for another..) It could be more of pain than copying your data and taking it with you.. so keep that option in mind if you can't get it to work.

Windows is not like a Unix Variant.. it does not play well when you try to transplant it.. so take it one step at a time and keep the possible pitfalls in mind! :)

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Posted by Emuz
Windows is not like a Unix Variant.. it does not play well when you try to transplant it.. so take it one step at a time and keep the possible pitfalls in mind! :)


I'd agree with this if W10 wasn't actually somewhat decent about this. I've had a lot of hard drive transplants work from one system to another so long as the operating system in question being used was this. Anything on back, not counting 8.x because I have little experience dealing with the OS for as trash it was in general, would be problematic but the above SHOULD work if that is the OS from the old unit.

If it's anything else then it will like blue-screen the minute you try to go into it, probably with a 0x7B STOP error or similar for not being able to mount the drive properly. It also depends on if the old machine with Legacy boot exclusively or if it had UEFI like most new ones use for boot. If you have Legacy on the old drive, it's still possible that you might be able to boot from it but you would have to disable Secure Boot from the BIOS and allow for the Legacy Boot ROM to be enabled, which is not recommended for security reasons but might get what you're looking to do from this.

Short of that, I'm not entirely certain. I'd need more information based on the above to know if it would work for you with absolute certainty but I've seen it done before, depending on what your old drive's configuration was and what it was out of.

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And if you're trying to boot anything older than Vista, do keep in mind that UEFI will not support XP or older operating systems (it's also generally a better idea to install older OSes first before newer ones, as a rule of thumb)


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Was Vista even supported for UEFI boot natively?

EDIT: Wow, looks like it was so long as you had a GPT format with SP1 or better. Never saw one come into the depot. Had a few W7 ones show up in GPT formatted drives, though.

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first and foremost, thanks a lot for all the replies. thanks to you guys I have some leads regarding what to look for.

Posted by Emuz
The first thing I would check is if Safeboot is enabled.. If so make sure to disable that just in case there are trust issues.

alright, I just disabled it.

Posted by Emuz
If your older computer was using Bios based booting methods it could also be you don't have legacy boot enabled. See if that's the case make sure that's enabled.

my BIOS is lacking the "Launch CSM" option, and I cannot find any UEFI option to switch to Legacy. I doubt this is necessary, but arg.

Posted by Emuz
Even if you get windows to boot from your old install be prepared for lots of driver stuff to resolve.. and others oddities. Windows is not like a Unix Variant.. it does not play well when you try to transplant it.

can you give me one example of the type of driver failure to expect? I don't know what to think since I have no reference.

Posted by Hiryuu
I'd agree with this if W10 wasn't actually somewhat decent about this. I've had a lot of hard drive transplants work from one system to another so long as the operating system in question being used was this. Anything on back would be problematic but the above SHOULD work if that is the OS from the old unit.


the old PC is a early Windows 10 upgraded from Windows 8.1, I reckon a bunch of the configuration from Win8 ported over. I had stopped updating the OS after the updates started failing to install.

the Win8 install was done by somebody I do not know, a friend of dad's. from what dad told me, the install has a license but it was.. somewhat hacked onto the machine or something, I'm not really sure. maybe it was just a bogus license.

the hardware itself is old, it used to be a Windows 7 laptop.

Posted by Hiryuu
you would have to disable Secure Boot from the BIOS and allow for the Legacy Boot ROM to be enabled, which is not recommended for security reasons but might get what you're looking to do from this.

for the record, if I were to repeatedly disable and reenable Security boot depending what I'm doing, would that mitigate the risks?

Posted by Danika
And if you're trying to boot anything older than Vista, do keep in mind that UEFI will not support XP or older operating systems (it's also generally a better idea to install older OSes first before newer ones, as a rule of thumb)

huh, I considered trying XP since we have an installation disk. good to know, thanks!

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so, it's come to the point I'm considering taking the old PC with me for vacation- without any fans and whatnot, meaning it can not stay on five minutes without heating the hell up. I suppose it would work out for quick manipulations like BIOS stuff, but outside of that it's not gonna get me far.

this is solely to give me time to figure something out, I'd rather not have to do that.


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Posted by Hiryuu
Was Vista even supported for UEFI boot natively?

EDIT: Wow, looks like it was so long as you had a GPT format with SP1 or better. Never saw one come into the depot. Had a few W7 ones show up in GPT formatted drives, though.


Yes it was. When using Rufus to "burn" Vista X64 onto a USB drive, it should auto-select it. However, Vista and 7 have issues with UEFI. I've tried Windows 7 on UEFI with secure boot disabled, but it freezes on the Starting Windows logo screen.

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