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Nicole
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Posted by GreyMaria
I'm running 49 processes on my WinXP machine, and that's with... a game, all this iTunes crap, Dropbox, a hide-processes-to-tray program, a systray clock replacer, an IRC client, and Firefox.

I can never understand how the fuck people manage to make it above 60 running processes.

Consider multi-process browsers like Chrome, though- sometimes people have a *lot* of tabs open, too.


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Bloatware installed on top of Windows on a new PC (and wasting more space than Windows itself) is true for any version, that's nothing new ... and XP does have its share of bloat and programs/features I never use (like Movie Maker and Media Player), but that's why I delete some of it :P


I'm usually running about 30 processes on both XP and 7 (but with more multitasking on XP), disabling some services and background processes helps >_>

 
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When I was very young I remember we had an old DOS-only computer. Then we upgraded to Windows 95, which I destroyed by shoving three floppy disks into the computer at the same time, somehow. We got another one, but I remember it being.... weird. There was, like, a program on it that was, like, the desktop. It was a house, and you could explore the house by clicking on different icons to go through the house. There was a room connected to space and the outside of the house.... That's all I remember, other than that it also played music from a CD my dad listened to back then a lot. I remember nothing else, but if someone can tell me what that is I'd really appreciate that.

After that craziness, we switched to a 98. We had that for years, and they gave it to me when they moved to XP, which I've basically used almost ever since. I got a Vista a few years ago to try to upgrade, the computer had to be reformatted and I just switched to XP cause it was too much of a hassle. I recently moved to Windows 7 but ehhh. It's okay I guess.



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The house... was it Bob? Or was it perhaps Packard Bell Navigator?


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Posted by Kawa
Or was it perhaps Packard Bell Navigator?



Holy crap, I THINK that was it! My god, I've been looking for this for 17 years, thanks Kawa!

One mystery of my past down.



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My pleasure, Matt.


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Posted by Marzen64
Posted by Kawa
Or was it perhaps Packard Bell Navigator?



Holy crap, I THINK that was it! My god, I've been looking for this for 17 years, thanks Kawa!

One mystery of my past down.
HOLY SHIT THE CRAPWARE ON MY 486!
You must have had that whistling demo as well then (JOUEKID.AVI I think).

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I've never had issues going from one OS to another. (in fact it can be fun sometimes)

The first OSes I used where in the Atari 400 and the Commodore 64. IE: BASIC. :) (basically load save and goto 10 was about as much as I put into it. I wanted my Pac-Man damnit!)

I did get to my first true os until I got to school. There I used Apple IIGS GE/OS and System 6 on the Mac. GUI was just a neat thing back than.

I started on x86 with a 8086 and a 286. Both came with DOS, and neither had anything better than CGA. I had a hand full of games and apps my father got from work. I mostly played battle chess and mean 18, a golf game. Win 3.1 was out of the question, and I never got a hold of anything before that.

I didn't get my first real windows experience until we got a 75mhz Pentium computer. Windows 95 was so much better than what I had at home before. (I even got Windows version of Battle Chess). Once I hit IRC however I almost instantly was drawn into the Linux world. I didn't install it for a long time due to the computer bring shared, however once I got my first shell on which I ran the first variant of |NoLife|, and I was drooling over the FVWM2 screenshots of a friend's set. (yes I did.. he has had the best skin I ever did see for FVWM2)

Once I did install it I used it for everything, and than branched out on making my own alterations. I was running WindowMaker, and finally updated my kernel from the exploitable 2.0.30. After that we had a new computer so we used that for Windows stuff. When I got tired of having two computers I was able to convince my family to let me install my WinNT 5 beta. That got me until Windows 2000 was released. When I finally built a computer it was dual booting 2000 and Slackware, but I stuck with 2000 for school work and stuff and got lazy with it.

At this time I also had a Powerbook G4 and I spent most of my First year of College on it. It was running the first version of the commerical Mac OS X and it was unstable, and buggy, but so fun to mod :)

I went to XP when I built the second computer. I didn't install Linux for a while on it since the RO stuff started soon after.

When I built Midori it was in the height of tRO. I built it accordingly to be able to handle many different tasks at once. I bought one 120GB drive, and added every spare drive I had into it. It ran a very heavily hacked version of XP. I replaced all the logos and graphics (even the boot screen) with very anti-MS ones. When I left tRO I was able to run Linux again, and so I did for the whole time I used the Midori as a desktop. I switched to Gentoo Linux since it was the only one that had a viable amd64 distro at the time (that I liked anyway). The way you have to install it (at that time anyway) was to basically install everything manually. Everything is complied on the system with your specific tunings, and it while it would sometimes take an hour to install a package, it worked well. I was used to compiling everything by hand with slackware as well so a step up. :) I setup my usual modded WindowMaker theme, with OPENSTEP icons and such. I had to manually adjust glib2's themes on startup. It was hacked together, but it ran for MONTHS.

I switched to a iBook I got from my brother, and well since than my primary machine has been a Mac. I used that for about 5 months. Once the Intel Macs came out I bought one right away. I used that one for my main machine up until 2010.

The windows side of things, I bought a new desktop during the Summer of 2009 from someone at work. It was a gaming rig - Core 2 Quad, 6 GB RAM, SLi etc. This is what I use today. I wanted a machine I could play Windows games, and experiment with the new Windows 7 in the x64 flavor. I had Ubuntu install on it but I needed the space back for a project. I plan to install Linux Mint Debian in the near future when I get time. (IF I get time)

Hopefully that makes sense. I wrote it at work in between various tasks..


I am one of those people who try every OS they can get their hands on.
Some I've run but not as main include:
  • FreeBSD
  • NeXTStep
  • OPENSTEP
  • Rhapsody DR 2
  • BeOS R4
  • Open Solaris
  • Vista
  • QNX

Windows/DOS variants I've tried:
  • DOS 3.3
  • DOS 6
  • FreeDOS
  • Windows 95
  • Windows 98 (SE)
  • Windows NT 4
  • Windows NT 5 B2 (Why do I set this aside? The best Windows experience I had was with NT5 B2)
  • Windows 2000
  • Windows XP
  • Windows 7

I've used a small amount of Linux Distros but I was quite loyal to slack for years.
  • Slackware
  • Gentoo
  • Ubuntu
  • Mint Debian

My favorite OS is Mac OS X, as it's a UNIX powered OS that has support for commercial applications without a compatibility layer, and I feel in love with the NeXTStep interface before Apple even bought it. (My Favorite Windows Manager is still WindowMaker, however it's hates dual monitors and it's a little out of date)
  • Mac OS X Server 1.2
  • Mac OS X 10.0/1
  • Mac OS X 10.4
  • Mac OS X 10.5
  • Mac OS X 10.6
  • Mac OS X 10.7


What I use on a day to day basis is always a mix of OSes. I use Mac OS X, Windows, and Linux daily. Right now Linux the least only due to the fact I don't have it running as a host OS at the moment. I use two servers, and 1~2 VMs with it installed on a regular basis. I use Mac OS X the most, and Windows 7 is my windows of choice. I use the 64 bit versions of all of them as well. At work I use Windows 7 mostly, but I do have a mac there as well I use as well. (I'm just lazy sometimes to get it out of my laptop bag.)

To me at hope I treat all three OSes as one big computer. I use synergy to likn the Desktop keyboard and mouse to any physical machine I have. VMs are easier to work with when sharing resources as well. The only thing that sometimes slips up is hot keys if I am not paying attention.

On bloatware. When it comes to Windows, I always install from stock media. It just saves a lot of time on the bloat ware side, even when you add the driver hunting time in. It also really gives you a smoother base to start with.

On the Window XP front. I am bored with it. I have absolutely will not use it for any of my personal stuff if I can help it. I've used it far too long I think. It's an irrational reaction, but yeah. I don't use XP anymore. I do like Windows 7, it's the closed to me in personal experience than NT5 was. "Wow most everything works out of the box!" and I like the Aero theme. It' makes it easy to mix it up without hacking.

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I have a bunch of programs open yet only 26 processes. I really don't run a lot.

But when I see some 7 laptops with 60 or more processes, I almost get a heart attack.


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The number of processes is really overrated. In fact, having programs split in several processes or Threads (another important column), boosts execution efficiency and stability.

The CPU Time column is the one that is important.
My printer utility software has 4 processes, yet these have used only 2 seconds of CPU Time in total, while my computer is on for about 10 hours already.

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RAM, Kiyoshi. That's valuable RAM that's getting wasted.

Nicole
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RAM, Kiyoshi. That's valuable RAM that's getting wasted.

Well, that depends on your computer- I mean, the RAM exists for a reason, if you have enough you might as well use it for efficiency benefits.


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RAM is there so you can have a RAM disk, obviously, to store needless crap that doesn't need to survive.

...I doubt anyone uses it like that, though. >_>


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That's also a relative thing. Why not use the RAM if you have it?

Also, more and more programs (Photoshop, Opera, Chrome) use memory more dynamically for caching. My Opera takes about 1 GB of memory at the moment. Why? Because it can. It would not do the same on a 256 MB system, on which it would work nicely too.

Windows Vista and 7 also have a great memory manager (another reason to upgrade ;)). It resizes the system cache and Superfetch cache sizes dynamically, to improve system performance. It is available again instantly when a program needs it.

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Posted by Kiyoshi
My Opera takes about 1 GB of memory at the moment.


This is why I don't use Opera.

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Posted by GreyMaria
Posted by Kiyoshi
My Opera takes about 1 GB of memory at the moment.


This is why I don't use Opera.
Wow, GreyMaria, congratulations on managing to read one entire line of my post. I am proud of you darling ~<3

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RAM is there so you can have a RAM disk, obviously, to store needless crap that doesn't need to survive.

...I doubt anyone uses it like that, though. >_>

I've actually sometimes thought about trying to set up a RAM disk on this machine (since I have more RAM than I "need" and usually don't shut down my computer), but since all my data is on an SSD otherwise I doubt the speed would be really noticeable. :P


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Posted by Liliana
RAM is there so you can have a RAM disk, obviously, to store needless crap that doesn't need to survive.

...I doubt anyone uses it like that, though. >_>

I've actually sometimes thought about trying to set up a RAM disk on this machine (since I have more RAM than I "need" and usually don't shut down my computer), but since all my data is on an SSD otherwise I doubt the speed would be really noticeable. :P
Not only that.
RAMdisks are only useful in operating systems that use the memory directly.
On the ones that use virtual memory (basically everything but DOS and Windows before 3.0), it's a catch-22. While it can speed up temp files and the page file, less memory is available for caching, making Windows slower, and page more.

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I actually use a small RAM disk for use with my IRC announcer that I never use. Basically foobar2000 writes a while to a RAM disk that's shared. I than wrote a shell script that pipes the data to IRC output. (via the clipboard since the IRC client I use current is a bit odd and doesn't have an /exec or.. scripts :P Experimental client)

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Some interesting previews on Windows 8, Office 15, ARM support etc.



See no video? Download it.

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