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Posts: 25/93 EXP: 61514 Next: 6209 Since: 01-05-12 From: Denmark Last post: 2353 days Last view: 1271 days |
Actually, Ubuntu's Unity interface has improved a lot in Ubuntu 12.04.
For one thing (which I really like), there are no more huge icons when you open the dash. On the other hand, they seem to have removed the window dodge feature from the launcher which really annoys me. And yes, a GNU/Linux tablet would be pretty cool. Perhaps it could run GNOME Shell. |
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Posts: 898/1016 EXP: 2221864 Next: 113764 Since: 01-02-12 Last post: 4595 days Last view: 4566 days |
Will this matter? I know people still happily using Windows 2000 on old computers. ____________________ I don't give a flying feather |
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Queen Lesbian of Kafuka Level: 160
Posts: 873/8412 EXP: 52912896 Next: 40103 Since: 01-06-12 Last post: 2964 days Last view: 1486 days |
Well, most software already switched to requiring XP at the least, so...  |
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Goddess of the Apocalypse Level: 200
Posts: 550/14042 EXP: 114149389 Next: 980000 Since: 01-03-12 From: Boston, MA Last post: 468 days Last view: 467 days |
♥550 ✿4706 ★50 Mainstream support for Windows Vista is ending in only a few weeks... Of course, they'll still have extended support for longer, I'm not sure until when. (Probably comparable to XP...) |
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Posts: 1593/20774 EXP: 205449472 Next: 2529462 Since: 01-01-12 From: UK Last post: 1052 days Last view: 1 hour |
I kind of wonder who still uses Vista rather than upgrading to 7..
Vista was one of the scariest versions of Windows I used.  The world could always use more heroes! |
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Posts: 551/14042 EXP: 114149389 Next: 980000 Since: 01-03-12 From: Boston, MA Last post: 468 days Last view: 467 days |
♥551 ✿4706 ★50 Posted by Gywall Er... me.  (Though in part just because I do most stuff on OS X nowadays, so upgrading the Windows machine seems like an unnecessary hassle) |
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Posted by NicoleYour MacBook can run Windows 7 as wellPosted by Gywall  ____________________ I don't give a flying feather |
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 Buzzy Beetle Red pandas and stuff Level: 43
Posts: 210/398 EXP: 544815 Next: 20231 Since: 01-01-12 Last post: 2697 days Last view: 899 days |
Well, modern Macs are basically a IBM PC clone minus the BIOS.
There is some oddball hardware who have vista support but not Windows 7 support which can be a problem for some people, just had to help a friend with such hardware. I managed to install the vista sound drivers fine despite being unsupported, and the only odd quirk was that I had to increase the sound quality within sound settings to get rid of scratching noises. ____________________ AIM: gamefreak1337, MSN: Emil_sim@spray.se, XMPP: ailure@xmpp.kafuka.org, YouTube
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Posts: 916/1016 EXP: 2221864 Next: 113764 Since: 01-02-12 Last post: 4595 days Last view: 4566 days |
This article very well reflects my views on Windows 8.
Also, did you know there actually is a way to close Metro apps? It's so non-intuitive you are never going to find it out without Googling it. Seriously, how hard would it have been to put a little X top right? ____________________ I don't give a flying feather |
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Posts: 616/14042 EXP: 114149389 Next: 980000 Since: 01-03-12 From: Boston, MA Last post: 468 days Last view: 467 days |
♥616 ✿4706 ★50 Posted by Kiyoshi Huh? It's easy to close metro apps, you just need to go to the left hidden-taskbar and right click... Really they should just add a smaller X, but it's easier than it is to, say, remove extra desktops in OS X Lion. (Not sure how you'd do it on a tablet, though) Also, the whole "I couldn't choose Word from a list in the Start Menu, I had to go to the Start Screen and go to the list of programs there!" seems like kind of a pointless complaint. |
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Posted by NicoleThe left-hidden taskbar is for task switching.Posted by Kiyoshi What you need to do is go to the top of the screen until the cursor changes. Then click to open the thumbnail, then drag that thumbnail to the bottom of the screen. ____________________ I don't give a flying feather |
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♥627 ✿4706 ★50 Posted by Kiyoshi It's all gestural, but still not the sort of gesture that would work on a touch screen.  (unless you're supposed to hold your finger I guess)
Really I wonder if the Windows 8 mindset would have worked better in a universe where we hadn't got so used to the mouse as a "point-and-click tool"... of course, releasing OSes for alternate universes is hardly a profitable-sounding proposition. |
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Posted by NicoleWith a tablet it would be swiping from the top.Posted by Kiyoshi Windows 8 tablets get special bezels that don't display pixels, but are responsive to touch. MS also demands tablet screens to have at least 5-finger support to be qualified. Metro on the desktop, it would have worked if it were a separate environment, like Media Center is now, and the desktop and Start Menu would be like in Windows 7, but with the new Explorer and such. Also, Metro could run in a 1366x768 window. Some even joke that Metro is the new PROGMAN.EXE, remember how that could run in a window on Windows 95? ____________________ I don't give a flying feather |
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Posts: 633/14042 EXP: 114149389 Next: 980000 Since: 01-03-12 From: Boston, MA Last post: 468 days Last view: 467 days |
♥633 ✿4706 ★50 Really I think Microsoft kind of designed themselves into a box with Metro; it was a really good interface for a phone, but with its huge focus on avoiding chrome and window details doesn't lend itself well to interacting with a traditional windows desktop.
Also, I wish Metro Snap was less limited... I'm not saying that Microsoft should have implemented a full tiling window manager, but more freedom in positioning would have been nice. (I realize it's done to make it easier for developers... but end users matter too) |
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Buzzy Beetle Red pandas and stuff Level: 43
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Posted by KiyoshiYou can still use PROGMAN.EXE in modern windows. You can change the Windows shell in regedit (in older Windows you change the shell in win.ini). I remember that on a old computer we used, it would change to the progman.exe shell... in Windows 95 due to us uninstalling a old alternate Win 3.1 shell called Tabworks. Microsoft disallowed alternate shells to be distribute with their OEM installs which was one factor of them being much less common with Windows 95 and forward. I still yet have to find a good Win 3.1 copy of Tabworks for nostlagia. Oh keep in mind that progman.exe in Win XP SP3 and forwards is a dummy exe for legacy (it does not launch). You need to grab the one from unpatched Win XP or from Win 2000. You could roll your own shell if you're crazy enough too. And for the extra step of crazy optimization, you can always just make your own whole desktop enviroment for Linux.____________________ AIM: gamefreak1337, MSN: Emil_sim@spray.se, XMPP: ailure@xmpp.kafuka.org, YouTube
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You can even grab winfile.exe from NT4, but it needs some hacks to make it work with Vista/7. |
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Goddess of the Apocalypse Level: 200
Posts: 681/14042 EXP: 114149389 Next: 980000 Since: 01-03-12 From: Boston, MA Last post: 468 days Last view: 467 days |
♥681 ✿4706 ★50 So, if Microsoft included a working progman.exe until SP3 (and apparently changed and did some kind of update to it, if it's not exactly the same as NT4's), does that mean that there was a large enough group of people still using it until SP3 to get Microsoft's attention?
Actually, I suppose it just means Microsoft has a lot of inertia... |
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Posts: 983/8412 EXP: 52912896 Next: 40103 Since: 01-06-12 Last post: 2964 days Last view: 1486 days |
Microsoft keeps a lot of old crap. But I think I already told you that.
You can still find the files for the NT4 setup in XP SP3, unchanged. |
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Buzzy Beetle Red pandas and stuff Level: 43
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Posted by NicoleBackwards compatibility just always been a big deal for Microsoft over the years and is the biggest advantage it have over the other OS's. Which is a advantage they're losing anyway due to the "web" (the average user just wants to surf and use th Internet). They broke Win16 compatibility in 64 bit versions of Windows only due to that they couldn't be bothered to port it to those versions. And before you ask, yes it's still possible to run 16 bit programs in 64 bit mode (this seems to be a common misconception about Win16). This is what Wine does on 64 bit Linux. ____________________ AIM: gamefreak1337, MSN: Emil_sim@spray.se, XMPP: ailure@xmpp.kafuka.org, YouTube
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Posted by Ailure Of course. How else could they have gotten 16-bit to work on MIPS, Alpha and PowerPC? (and I guess Intel Itanium too, though that was kind of a short-lived thing) |
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