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 Buzzy Beetle Red pandas and stuff Level: 43    
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Posted by AcmlmAs soon you run out of memory address space you're pretty much forced to. Windows 7 isn't really that bad when you get used to it. The inbuilt search functionality on the start menu is really nice if you gotten into habit of using it. I actually run out of memory addresses on my second last computer, had 3.25 GB of RAM rather than the full 4 GB due to the hardware addresses taking the rest. Anyway... 1994: 486 Compaq brand (Presario?): Came with Win 3.1, was updated to Win95 at some point. We installed a 2 GB harddrive which felt OMGHUGE back then. 1998: HP Pentium II: I remember this felt like a night and day in perfomance compared to the 486 lol 2002: HP Pentium IV: This became my main computer during the college years, it was basically running at duct tape in it's last moments. 2006: HP With some AMD processor (2600+ maybe): It's GPU and PSU was dying and I was getting sick of Hewlett Packard computers. A bad HD cable made matters worse too, would randomly freeze due to that. 2010: Built my current computer with Intel core i7 2.67 ghz and ATI Radeon 5800 (one of the last cards with the ATI brand before it was dropped in favor of just plain AMD).' My next computer probably will have a SSD boot disk for speed. When that will be I'm not sure, current CPU's around are too similar in performance of what I have already so I want to wait a little longer. I already had to replace the PSU (*sigh* I seem to have a bad luck with those) and the GPU fan on this computer. Maybe 2014? ____________________ AIM: gamefreak1337, MSN: Emil_sim@spray.se, XMPP: ailure@xmpp.kafuka.org, YouTube
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HEY HEY HEY STAY OUTTA MAH SHED Level: 65
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I wonder what's more pathetic, Windows 8's Metro, or the new Mac OS X that will turn your MacBook Pro into the memetic $2000 Facebook machine... ____________________ I don't give a flying feather |
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Both are objectively pathetic. Which one more so is a matter of opininion. |
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Goddess of the Apocalypse Level: 200
Posts: 177/14042 EXP: 114291587 Next: 837802 Since: 01-03-12 From: Boston, MA Last post: 479 days Last view: 479 days |
♥177 ✿4717 ★57 At least Windows 8 isn't making signing-required-by-default for desktop applications... 
Yeah, if I upgrade this machine to Mountain Lion, disabling that will be the first thing I do. |
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Posted by Nicole IMO, they may be planning on that. With Windows 8's Metro interface and its huge buttons all over the place, it seems obvious to me that they want to turn your PC into a giant tablet or phone. The signed bootloader thing reinforces this feeling. Though, I won't speak for sure. ____________________ Kuribo64 - melonDS want some revolution in your coffee? |
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Posted by Mega-MarioPosted by Nicole I think as tablet computers gain popularity, companies are trying to mimic it's success by taking elements and placing them elsewhere. I also doubt it'll be long until most monitors become touch-enabled. I know some people already have them. The world could always use more heroes! |
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♥179 ✿4717 ★57 Posted by Mega-MarioPosted by Nicole Well, Metro programs will be entirely restricted to being purchased through the Windows Marketplace... but I don't see anything about doing so on the desktop (though I also suspect they plan on abolishing it eventually) |
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With all this talk about modern GUIs being made of suck and bad decisions, let's take a moment to reflect on the past.
A past most of you probably never experienced. 
The Apple Lisa. Don't just open LisaWrite, friend. All that gets you is a (friendly) error message that tells you the Lisa doesn't roll that way. Instead, aim at that "LisaWrite Paper" icon and drag away from it. You now have a working copy named "LisaWrite Paper" with a timestamp appended to it. You don't want that name, naturally, so aim at the name and type away. Don't click, it doesn't work like that -- there's no "rename" mode like on the Mac that came out shortly after. Now, double click your new document to open it in LisaWrite. Also, to copy those applications (because all I had initially was "Empty folders" -- and yes you can drag new folders from there, Clock, and Calculator) I had to select all the icons on that application's disk, then select Duplicate. The flashing icons that produced could then be dropped onto the ProFile disk. Deselecting the flashing icons would cancel the Strange design decisions. Strange design decisions everywhere. |
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Posted by NicoleMicrosoft does emphasize the PC will always be an open platform. They will probably go the way of Android with their marketplace, warning you when you want to install an unsigned program.Posted by Mega-MarioPosted by Nicole Don't forget about all those Windows games, the desktop will always be open. I expect to see ARM binaries for many popular desktop programs, in addition to the x86/x64 binaries we have now. ____________________ I don't give a flying feather |
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♥180 ✿4717 ★57 Posted by Kiyoshi Have you been following the Building Windows 8 blog? Recent posts claim that the only ARM desktop applications allowed will be Microsoft's (specifically, Office)... |
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The Sorceress. Boing~ Level: 237
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Posted by NicoleBut what's going to stop someone from trying anyway? I suspect Kiyoshi probably referred to the likely possibility of Windows joining the tablet computer market.. which would be interesting to say the least. The world could always use more heroes! |
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Posted by GywallOf course Microsoft wants to encourage all developers to make cross-platform apps in WinRT (Metro), but I don't see why desktop apps should be blocked for ARM only, while you can install them with no problem on x86.Posted by NicoleBut what's going to stop someone from trying anyway? And even though I dislike LibreOffice, it should be given a fair chance. EDIT: I read up on this and I think I know why it is a wise decision. The downside is that it will prevent a whole new branch of desktop binaries, effectively preventing ARM from making it to desktop PC's (Intel conspiracy?). But the most important reason is, you will get all your updates, drivers etc. directly from Microsoft. Anyone who has ever tried updating an Android device knows why this is a good thing 
EDIT:Also, all Windows 8 tablets will ship with a clean Windows 8, no Dell/HP/Acer crapware allowed 
EDIT: lotsa typos, bleh desu ____________________ I don't give a flying feather |
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Buzzy Beetle Red pandas and stuff Level: 43
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Posted by NicoleSeems to be a good way to encourage people to install a ARM flavor of Linux instead.. :p Posted by KawaAdvertising back then made a big deal out of Apple doing the whole "desktop metaphor" thing. This was toned over a bit over the years, probably for consistency. I also see that Lisa does not have square pixels, which makes screenshots of it on modern computers either look warped or pixelated. ____________________ AIM: gamefreak1337, MSN: Emil_sim@spray.se, XMPP: ailure@xmpp.kafuka.org, YouTube
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Posted by AilurePosted by NicoleSeems to be a good way to encourage people to install a ARM flavor of Linux instead.. :p Why wait? Android is basically just that, and fully optimized for tablets. ____________________ I don't give a flying feather |
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Buzzy Beetle Red pandas and stuff Level: 43
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Ah yeah, keep in mind however that android is basically the Linux kernel forked though. So it's technically Linux in a way.  ____________________ AIM: gamefreak1337, MSN: Emil_sim@spray.se, XMPP: ailure@xmpp.kafuka.org, YouTube
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♥183 ✿4717 ★57 Posted by AilurePosted by NicoleSeems to be a good way to encourage people to install a ARM flavor of Linux instead.. :p Windows 8 on ARM will also have locked bootloaders requiring Microsoft's signature, so that will not be an option.  (Well, okay, you could just buy an Android tablet, but don't tell Microsoft that) |
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Ubuntu is also making a pure Linux Tablet OS. Not a fan of unity. It may use Wayland over X11 for the release. Pure Linux tablet has large appeal to me at least. The Dynamic Profile Administrator™"Never Knows Best" Note: if you can see this my layout broke. ALL THE CREDITS WILL BE REVEALED!! 'Victory Noriko' by @thatsheepagain. 'Chibi Dance Noriko' by @Haru__Kitsu. 'Deity's Night Out (Featuring Gabbie)' by @thatsheepagain Noriko Emotes by @Haru__Kitsu. Side Bar Noriko by @thatsheepagain 'Noriko's Nature Walk' by @projectTiGER_ Emotive Noriko by @thatsheepagain. "Space Candy Noriko" by BerryVerrine. "Super Sharp Noriko" by Xionfes. A gift illustration from the wonderful EverKinzPony! "Magical Girl Noriko" by @cute_hospital! "Patient Chibi Noriko" by @Ruii_ki! 'Dapper '60s Noriko' by @thatsheepagain. 'Shiny Chibi Noriko' by @inioli. 'Flower Veil Noriko' by @Sushiee_. 'Noriko in Realism' by @_Sarybuu. 'Noriko's Midnight Adventure' by @projectTiGER_ 'Yukata Noriko' by @yunyunmaru_ 'Birthday Wishes Noriko' by @thatsheepagain |
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Posted by Nicole I'm eagerly waiting for that to get ruled down in court. |
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♥185 ✿4717 ★57 Posted by LilianaPosted by Nicole Well, it's iffy- I mean, the best-selling ARM tablet of this class at the moment (by far, I think?) is Apple's iPad, so Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly, and the iPad is also locked down... But on the other hand, Windows is a declared monopoly, so maybe they can't get away with it. |
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Buzzy Beetle Red pandas and stuff Level: 43
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Posted by EmuzErf, I hate Unity as it's awkward on the desktop computers. Linux tablets would be interesting, although I have a feeling they would mostly be competing with android tablets. Besides Windows have done really badly outside of the x86 market. Windows mobile marketshare is small compared to android and iPhone. ____________________ AIM: gamefreak1337, MSN: Emil_sim@spray.se, XMPP: ailure@xmpp.kafuka.org, YouTube
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