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These are still written on every installer:
It is advised that you close all other Windows applications before continuing. The installation may take several minutes. Does anyone actually close other applications when installing something, because I definitely don't. And the "several minutes" part, when was the time where installing something took this long?  |
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That's just because sometimes they might try to overwrite shared system files. Nowadays, that's hardly an issue for the average app, but the installers themselves, being off-the-shelf, still have the warning. |
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♥327 ✿4494 ★19 I never see that message on OS X. 
*shot* |
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Posted by NicoleThat's because these are pre-built packages, and the system files are untouchable. It avoids DLL hell but it makes the system more closed. ____________________ I don't give a flying feather |
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Posts: 938/2423 EXP: 7997474 Next: 55336 Since: 01-01-12 From: The Netherlands Last post: 2026 days Last view: 341 days |
And even then, in Win7, installers only need elevation because Program Files is protected. As long as they don't try to change things in the system directories, you don't need to close shit.
The same "they're off-the-shelf" origin can be blamed for the time estimate. |
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Posted by CommentsPosted by CynthiaBut the real problem, of course, is the eternal tension between security and convenience. ____________________ I don't give a flying feather |
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Posts: 328/14042 EXP: 111549213 Next: 1587871 Since: 01-03-12 From: Boston, MA Last post: 256 days Last view: 255 days |
♥328 ✿4494 ★19 Posted by Cynthia Dunno, honestly I disagree with the article- moving the file into Applications (which has a little bit of the sidebar in the Finder, which is usually awful but makes it very easy in this specific regard) is to me easier than sitting through a setup.exe (which may itself have come in a zip file!), and deleting it is about as easy as ejecting the "disk" and deleting it. And having everything in a convenient folder is easier, though of course Kiyoshi notes that tradeoffs there. (But of course, winsxs takes up so much space now... are the benefits of more shared resources really there on Windows?) |
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Posted by NicoleI remember installing Windows 98 on a 6.4 GB hard drive, and I always copied the contents of the win98 install folder off the CD to my hard drive, so I would not need the CD every time.Posted by Cynthia For XP it was still advisable to do the same with the I386 folder. Vista and 7 leave copies of system files for you. It's a trade-off between convenience and disk space. The latter is hardly an issue nowadays. Edit: DLL hell was mostly solved in Windows XP, which always looks for a DLL first in the program path, before looking in the system folders. ____________________ I don't give a flying feather |
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♥329 ✿4494 ★19 Posted by Kiyoshi And that's the same reason to just include your libraries in the application package rather than dumping them in system folders. *shrug* |
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Considering the working directory is the first place LoadLibrary'll look when you don't specify a path (which is the preferred style anyway)... |
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Posted by NicoleMost programs do, but this still does not work for kernel-level libraries. For that, there is the compatibility mode fix.Posted by Kiyoshi And everything is solved if people just start using .NET ____________________ I don't give a flying feather |
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Preinstalled with recent Windowses, loader'll guide you halfway through an upgrade if you need one... but it can still require DLLs, unfortunately. |
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Also, there is no need to include KnownDLLs in installer packages.
Unlike what the Anti-MS communities say, this is not a security hole. ____________________ I don't give a flying feather |
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If a installer really needs a certain application closed, it usually tells you which one anyway in my experience. I don't bother closing them all. ____________________ AIM: gamefreak1337, MSN: Emil_sim@spray.se, XMPP: ailure@xmpp.kafuka.org, YouTube
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I don't bother doing anything other than what the installer forces me to do.
And I loathe it when they force me to reboot. I generally just ignore the message and try to use the newly installed program anyway. If the program misbehaves, I'll first try to restart explorer.exe, in some cases it's enough. But in other cases, I eventually end up having to reboot. On a related note, who actually reads the End User License Agreement before accepting it? I don't. ____________________ Kuribo64 - melonDS want some revolution in your coffee? |
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I scan-read the EULA to see if it's a copy-pasta or custom one.
I read the custom ones at least.
Also, I tend to not close anything. System Restore is a nice tool.  The world could always use more heroes! |
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 Roy Koopa My name is Sanger Zonvolt. I am the Sword that cleaves evil! Level: 153
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Posted by TrapsterEspecially worse when it's a program that doesn't warrant a restart. Some I can understand, but most I can't. The world could always use more heroes! |
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Launch MS Paint and scribble something in it before you run an installer.
Suddenly, it can't force you to restart. And yes, I've seen installers that will restart your computer even if you click "no, I don't want to restart now". This stops them in their tracks. |
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