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Kawa
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Why reinvented the wheel, GM?


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Because learning regexes is a perfectly legitimate way to pass the time?

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Learning regexes?

Haha. You can't learn them.

Also Kawa, have you ever tried entering regexes in the Windows command line? That is one of the worst methods of torture on this world.


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I have no CLITs that take regexes, as far as I know. If I do have them I never had a use for them.


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Posted by Liliana
Learning regexes?

Haha. You can't learn them.

Yet I'm here, with knowledge of those :P

Though, I have to agree that they feel weird to beginners. When I first looked into some Acmlmboard code, I was puzzled at the postfilter regexes. But eventually there are some sites that do a good job at explaining all that crap.

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\b(?:(?:https?|ftp|file)://|www\.|ftp\.)
(?:\([-A-Z0-9+&@#/%=~_|$?!:,.]*\)|[-A-Z0-9+&@#/%=~_|$?!:,.])*
(?:\([-A-Z0-9+&@#/%=~_|$?!:,.]*\)|[A-Z0-9+&@#/%=~_|$])
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You know one of the few things in the POSIX/UNIX world I've never been able to master is any regexp more complex than simple wildcards. It's on my list of things to try again if I ever find 'spare' free time.

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Last time I used regex was to build Noxicobotic. Every type of line it supports has its own, except blanks and comments:
^(?:(?<word>\w+) \:)
^(?:(?:(?<id>\w+?) \.)?) (?<command>\w+) (?:(?:\s?) (?<parms>.+)?)
^(?<type>[|!?])<< .+
^(?<variable>\w+) (?:\s?) = (?:\s?) (?<expression>.+)
^if \s (?<variable>\w+) \s (?<compare>[!=\<\>]{1,2}) \s (?<value>\w+)
^if \s (?<flag>set|exists|not\sset|not\sexists)$
^(?:endif|else|next)
That one with the "type" group is only the start -- the closing >> is detected separately.


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Regex is something I use time to time, but never fully understood. I need to take my time to learn it properly.
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Looking at how little resources the non-3D version of SOL.EXE takes, Microsoft could easily do this for Windows.
The worst thing is, Windows Setup actually runs on Windows, all the way back to 3.x, so you totally could do that -- copy sol.exe and cards.dll in the first, non-Windows phase so you can start it in the second.

Somebody oughta ask Raymond Chen about this.
Win 3.1 was used in the Win95 and Win98 installers. You can spot that on the buttons within the installer. No idea about Windows ME, and I know that Windows 2000 and Windows XP used a textmode based installer. Windows 7 uses "itself" for installing.

I like that some Linux discs doubles as both boot and install disc.

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Posted by Ailure
Regex is something I use time to time, but never fully understood. I need to take my time to learn it properly.

I like that some Linux discs doubles as both boot and install disc.


I do know if you master it, it saves a lot of time. (which is why I wonder why I never mastered it than.)

When I first installed Linux, you had to download floppy disk images over dialup (at least I did). Slackware sets A, AA, and D I got first. That was enough to get online with console only, and to build programs. I think I got the N package next so I could use lynx and I had to build ircii-epic3 myself to do IRC while I waited for the large X and XA packages to download. (I don't think it was X is X11, XA (which I think I am wrong on it's label) which was the basic apps and windows managers. (I installed it on a 720MB HD and had plenty of room) I'm glad they went with LiveCD + Install as it takes away a lot of the barrior that exists with the old method. (though it was kind of neat being console only for a few days)

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First time I installed Linux it was... fedora core 3 or something I think, and I found it really kludgy even if it was handholding you with GUI installers. You had to use three different CD's for the installer too. I remember thinking that Ubuntu Linux was so clean and bloatfree compared to my former Linux experience. I did try out Slackware and some BSD for fun of it, but neither were that newbiefriendly compared to Ubuntu Linux (I know my way more comfortable in Linux nowadays though so it's not as big concern for me).

Then again back then the red hat distros loved to be multi-CD based as to have everything on the discs. Nowadays they just put on stuff that the average user needs, and anything else you have to download yourself.

I use Windows 7 at home for gaming, everywhere else I'm using Linux with a bias towards the debian-family of distros.

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I hate it when the only posts in the past few days have been things I can't post about. I dunno shit about Linux, nor do I care to learn anything, so I can't add anything to the discussion. But I feel bad for not posting, and it seems like it's been a slow few days.



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Posted by Marzen64
I hate it when the only posts in the past few days have been things I can't post about. I dunno shit about Linux, nor do I care to learn anything, so I can't add anything to the discussion. But I feel bad for not posting, and it seems like it's been a slow few days.


I prodded Linux a couple of times. Just wasn't able to obtain a correct driver to run it properly.

Otherwise, I'm sure most people know it's powered by penguins.


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Gywall: When was the last time? Been awhile since I ran into driver troubles honestly, other than the newest graphics card sometimes don't have full 3D support. But faulty/missing drivers is the responsibility of whoever made the hardware. I recall it used to be common to have problems with getting the sound working, but nowadays that 99% computer users uses a common chipsets rather than a dedicated sound card it's not as much of a problem.

If you work plenty with computers, it's a pretty good idea to familiarize yourself with Linux due to it's dominance amongst the server "market".

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Posted by Ailure
Gywall: When was the last time?
Two or three years ago. Almost completely different hardware now too. Not really got a use for it though. Mostly was trying it out.
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If you work plenty with computers, it's a pretty good idea to familiarize yourself with Linux due to it's dominance amongst the server "market".
I don't work with computers.. sadly.


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I tried installing Linux once and it ended poorly. Mostly due to the crappy internet I had at the time, at my grandma's house, but eh. I see no need for it when all it does it confuse me and I apparently gotta learn a LOT of shit to just use it. All that stuff you guys posted up there? Might as well have been Italian for all I know. I don't feel I need Linux anyways, so there's no real need to learn about any of it.



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Posted by Ailure
Win 3.1 was used in the Win95 and Win98 installers. You can spot that on the buttons within the installer. No idea about Windows ME

Me uses the same installer as 98 >_>

Posted by Ailure
and I know that Windows 2000 and Windows XP used a textmode based installer.

Indeed they do, as did all previous versions of NT down to NT 3.1. In the second step (after restarting), a bare-bones version of the operating system itself is used for setting up all the hardware and configuration settings. This was done because up to XP a floppy-based boot-up of the installer was still supported, so a light-weight installer was needed for the first part (XP used six floppies), and trying to boot a bare-bones NT entirely from floppies would've needed an outrageous amount of them. Vista doesn't support floppies for setup so that wasn't an issue anymore.

As for Linux... I'd use it if it weren't for the bad driver support that prevents it from working correctly with my PC. :/


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Posted by Marzen64
I tried installing Linux once and it ended poorly. Mostly due to the crappy internet I had at the time, at my grandma's house, but eh. I see no need for it when all it does it confuse me and I apparently gotta learn a LOT of shit to just use it. All that stuff you guys posted up there? Might as well have been Italian for all I know. I don't feel I need Linux anyways, so there's no real need to learn about any of it.
Linux is not hard at all, especially if you install a userfriendly Linux like Ubuntu, most desktop distros around are pretty much made in a such way that you don't need to use the terminal at all. (Terminal is faster though if you know how).

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I gravitate towards Debian-style now myself. Only because I don't have the time like I used to. I used to love building distros from scratch for myself. This is time consuming. Slackware was more of a "here ya go, no real package manager. Find everything yourself". The one I used later on as my main OS (Gentoo in 2005) used a. "Okay here are the tools to setup your distro. You have to do that yourself. Once you are done than our package manager will compile everything for you automatically with dep check and system level optimizations."

I tried to install pure Debian on occasion and well I never did get it fully installed. (tried in 98', '02, and in a VM in '08). No idea why. I've had success with more complex installs like Gentoo. So until Ubuntu, mint, and the more "install and go" type I never did use apt, dpkg and such. I've become quite fond of it now. In fact if I ever get time I'm installing Linux Mint Debian Xfce edition on my desktop. (loved working with it in VMs)

PS: Always disliked redhat variants. I guess it comes from the time I started using Linux. it was labeled as a 'sell out' and none of my mentors used it.

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For me, Knoppix is still the nicest distro to work with.
I prefer KDE over Gnome, but Kubuntu is boring to me.
I also like OpenSUSE a lot.

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