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I was registering and got to the part where I went to select my timezone and I personally don't like the massive amount of cities to select from. Could we switch to the simpler GMT -5 and etc, rather than use what we have now?

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In all actuality, we tried that originally, but the server's time setting got really fucked up.

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Could we at least thin the number of place? I couldn't find any cities actually near where I live. It's just too much.

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Posted by CyclopsCaveman
Could we at least thin the number of place? I couldn't find any cities actually near where I live. It's just too much.
So many different implementations of DST around the world :(

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Some zones have no DST, the south hemisphere's DST is inverted, Europe and America don't change at the same time ... so with the old setting, you'd have to fix it 2 or 4 times per year (and some older dates would be off by 1 or 2 hours) :P

But maybe showing each timezone's current time and sorting the list by that would make it easier ...

 
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Some zones have no DST, the south hemisphere's DST is inverted, Europe and America don't change at the same time ... so with the old setting, you'd have to fix it 2 or 4 times per year (and some older dates would be off by 1 or 2 hours) :P

But maybe showing each timezone's current time and sorting the list by that would make it easier ...


This is what DJBouche said he would do, except with offsets.

I like this idea better.

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I think it's possible to look up timezones through user IP's though, which can be used for making it suggest and mark a timezone for you. That would help as well, even if it wouldn't be always accurate (I used to be on a IP reported as being within Netherlands :P).

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Posted by Ailure
I think it's possible to look up timezones through user IP's though, which can be used for making it suggest and mark a timezone for you. That would help as well, even if it wouldn't be always accurate (I used to be on a IP reported as being within Netherlands :P).


Yeah, this would be neat actually, and a lot of places do it.

And I am indeed thinking of doing what @GreyMaria mentioned, combined with Ailure's suggestion this should remove most of the friction.

And indeed most of the intent for moving away from fixed offset timezones was to deal with DST transitions, and most systems (at least POSIX based) are using these timezone definitions as standard. I believe these also contain the transitions for strange little political things such as Samoa skipping December 31, 2011 and switching to the other side of the IDL.

For the list, I will probably do both the offset and the current time.

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Bringing this back up again. I wholeheartedly agree that this system just doesn't work for me. Now my reasons are not just for the user end but the database end as well. Having 400+ rows for what could be a bit more simple seems outrageous to me. I think we could do this in a much easier way.

First of all, the main argument I've seen to keep this Time Zone system is DST. I think we could make this much easier for both the server and user. In config, we can set what times are expected to change DST for the server end. On the user end, we can do that as well. Then they just select their offset. Should you set the DST correctly, it will always update the offset correctly and the server will do the same.


So with that said, I really want to make it "simpler" with offsets but options to allow the person to change it automatically so that it works for DST. Granted it may seem silly but I want to bring up anything we can use to overthrow Time Zones. hehe

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Maybe the user could choose between setting "simple" or "precise" TZ offset where simple is a list of "GMT, GMT-1, ..." and precise is the same as the current list?


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Exactly four places in the world have more than one timezone: US, Canada, Russia, and Australia (I was surprised when I've found that China has only one timezone). For places that aren't in that list, simple IP checking would be enough.

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Whoa, wtf? I never knew timezones were THIS retarded... why aren't they just "straight" (or, well, as straight as you can be on a spherical object)? This is so inane.


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It's because time zones are not decided by any international body, but rather each country decides for itself how its time zones will work. So you have bizarre oddities like China's single time zone or Nepal's whacko +5:45 time because they thought it'd work out well for their countries, the rest of the world be damned. (I've even heard that the prolificacy of GMT+1 in Europe was a relic of Nazi domination and their desire to make everything they conquered use German time, and most nations never changed back to their original time zones.)

Nautical time zones are chosen internationally, which is why the time zones at sea tend to make sense. But they still zig and zag around every little island that chooses its own time zone.

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We ought to lay siege to the world's governments until timezones are finally equivalent to longitudinal meridians.

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