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Main - Super Mario Bros. 3 Hacking - SMB3 Allstars hack "Kafuka" - "Where SMB3A runs the show" |
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11 Hit Combo: Mother's Rosario Level: 109 Posts: 213/3393 EXP: 13593655 Next: 365990 Since: 12-30-11 From: Akron, Ohio; USA Last post: 135 days Last view: 3 days |
The Kafuka Super Mario All-Stars Mario 3 ProjectBackstoryFor a very long time DJ Bouche and I have bounced around the idea of working on a super hack. Originally a long time ago we would have said it would have been Super Mario Bros. 3 in All-stars. Once we started talking again we made decision that we would, when the time was right, do it.What is this?Super Mario Bros. 3 All-stars Kafuka is (or will be) a in-depth project to in essence turn All-Stars into one giant Super Mario Brothers 3 SNES engine. This engine would be both for our debut hack, and for anyone else who would like to make their own SMB3 SNES hack.What does that entail?This won't be an easy project as it has many parts and subprojects involved. The base part is essentially what DD did with Ruben in that reworking of the game at the ASM level will be key to the project. A level editor, packing utilities and other tools will need to be built during the project to support it. There will also be a custom SPC engine built by DJ Bouche, and a custom logo screen to allow save/load games to be accessed in thre SMB3 splash screen instead of the overridden SMAS one.What are the planned features ?
Why?This is the question I bet every single one of you are asking. "What's wrong with Reuben and SMB3?" you may ask. The answer is nothing at all. DD did a wonderful job and while the project hasn't yet been completed it is still something everyone should check out. As for why not just rework the NES SMB3? It's for the challenge, for one thing. Doing something of this level with an SNES game (with exceptions of SMW) really hasn't been done. This would be a rather large and challenging ASM modification to the game engine to allow us to have many many times as many worlds with many many times as levels. Since SMB3AS is currently constrained by the NES' limitations, it has room for expansion and more advanced methods. Also it could be asked, "Why not look into the more modern games like NSMB?" Part of the fun is expanding on the lower level areas involved in making levels. The style of the 16 bit era is part of it too, and Treeki (His name comes to mind right away) and many others have done a good job with NSMB and while it would be fun, we came to consensus it should be something from the 16-bit era.This whole project is meant to be a challenge for ROM hackers, Programmers, and others who want something.. "off-the-wall" to work on that could serve not only as a learning experience but to help create something a lot of people I've talked to want: a really, really expansive game in the style of Mario 3. More info will be coming as we develop. I'm interested, what can I do?This project will have two parts; the engine and the Kafuka "3" community hack. We'll accept (quality) levels and world maps from everyone on the forums and the community at large. Right now DJ Bouche and I are busy so we don't plan to start this just yet. That said if we do get enough interest and have enough people to kick this off sooner we will!What we need is help from the ASM hackers, and programmers in the community. If you know someone who may be interested, please link them to this thread. If you interested (or the guy given the link) and you want to help, please feel free to post a response. That said right now we are far from the point where we could use Level makers and graphics mods... however you can still show your interest and say you'll help when that time comes too! The project when started will be a fully open (source, forum, and IRC) and will be open to other working on it. This will be a fully open book project so ask any question you wish in the mean time. Please feel free to share the link to anyone you think might find this interesting, provided that you don't directly post it on others' forums without their permission first. This will not be easy, and in fact it may be too much but, really I hope a challenge will spark something awesome! The Dynamic Profile Administrator™"Never Knows Best" Note: if you can see this my layout broke. ALL THE CREDITS WILL BE REVEALED!! 'Victory Noriko' by @thatsheepagain. 'Chibi Dance Noriko' by @Haru__Kitsu. 'Deity's Night Out (Featuring Gabbie)' by @thatsheepagain Noriko Emotes by @Haru__Kitsu. Side Bar Noriko by @thatsheepagain 'Noriko's Nature Walk' by @projectTiGER_ Emotive Noriko by @thatsheepagain. "Space Candy Noriko" by BerryVerrine. "Super Sharp Noriko" by Xionfes. A gift illustration from the wonderful EverKinzPony! "Magical Girl Noriko" by @cute_hospital! "Patient Chibi Noriko" by @Ruii_ki! 'Dapper '60s Noriko' by @thatsheepagain. 'Shiny Chibi Noriko' by @inioli. 'Flower Veil Noriko' by @Sushiee_. 'Noriko in Realism' by @_Sarybuu. 'Noriko's Midnight Adventure' by @projectTiGER_ 'Yukata Noriko' by @yunyunmaru_ 'Birthday Wishes Noriko' by @thatsheepagain |
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Buzzy Beetle Red pandas and stuff Level: 43 Posts: 61/398 EXP: 545996 Next: 19050 Since: 01-01-12 Last post: 2717 days Last view: 919 days |
Haha maybe we need a reminder thread. I mean I should try to get back into Snake Rattle n Roll hacking, I was tempted to look into hacking the games Ducktales too. ____________________ AIM: gamefreak1337, MSN: Emil_sim@spray.se, XMPP: ailure@xmpp.kafuka.org, YouTube
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11 Hit Combo: Mother's Rosario Level: 109 Posts: 369/3393 EXP: 13593655 Next: 365990 Since: 12-30-11 From: Akron, Ohio; USA Last post: 135 days Last view: 3 days |
I've moved this to the public forums. Enjoy! The Dynamic Profile Administrator™"Never Knows Best" Note: if you can see this my layout broke. ALL THE CREDITS WILL BE REVEALED!! 'Victory Noriko' by @thatsheepagain. 'Chibi Dance Noriko' by @Haru__Kitsu. 'Deity's Night Out (Featuring Gabbie)' by @thatsheepagain Noriko Emotes by @Haru__Kitsu. Side Bar Noriko by @thatsheepagain 'Noriko's Nature Walk' by @projectTiGER_ Emotive Noriko by @thatsheepagain. "Space Candy Noriko" by BerryVerrine. "Super Sharp Noriko" by Xionfes. A gift illustration from the wonderful EverKinzPony! "Magical Girl Noriko" by @cute_hospital! "Patient Chibi Noriko" by @Ruii_ki! 'Dapper '60s Noriko' by @thatsheepagain. 'Shiny Chibi Noriko' by @inioli. 'Flower Veil Noriko' by @Sushiee_. 'Noriko in Realism' by @_Sarybuu. 'Noriko's Midnight Adventure' by @projectTiGER_ 'Yukata Noriko' by @yunyunmaru_ 'Birthday Wishes Noriko' by @thatsheepagain |
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Level: 128 Posts: 185/4986 EXP: 24208171 Next: 173529 Since: 01-02-12 Last post: 1492 days Last view: 1492 days |
Since I'm unfamiliar with SMAS SMB3 hacking, what tool is used to edit levels?
This project may give me the kick in the ass I need to get back to my old SMB3 hack I was working on when I joined Board2. |
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11 Hit Combo: Mother's Rosario Level: 109 Posts: 377/3393 EXP: 13593655 Next: 365990 Since: 12-30-11 From: Akron, Ohio; USA Last post: 135 days Last view: 3 days |
M3i (Jonwil made a variant that works quite well if you can find it) to edit mario 3 allstars, it doesn't do the best job. I even made my old utility to help with it a long time ago which was more or less an incomplete level copy with no parsing for the new 4 byte objects introduced in Allstars.
Actually this is one of the things we would address in this project. A suite of editors and utilities, in conjunction to a new format for levels and other assets giving us a good amount of control of a person's new content. The Dynamic Profile Administrator™"Never Knows Best" Note: if you can see this my layout broke. ALL THE CREDITS WILL BE REVEALED!! 'Victory Noriko' by @thatsheepagain. 'Chibi Dance Noriko' by @Haru__Kitsu. 'Deity's Night Out (Featuring Gabbie)' by @thatsheepagain Noriko Emotes by @Haru__Kitsu. Side Bar Noriko by @thatsheepagain 'Noriko's Nature Walk' by @projectTiGER_ Emotive Noriko by @thatsheepagain. "Space Candy Noriko" by BerryVerrine. "Super Sharp Noriko" by Xionfes. A gift illustration from the wonderful EverKinzPony! "Magical Girl Noriko" by @cute_hospital! "Patient Chibi Noriko" by @Ruii_ki! 'Dapper '60s Noriko' by @thatsheepagain. 'Shiny Chibi Noriko' by @inioli. 'Flower Veil Noriko' by @Sushiee_. 'Noriko in Realism' by @_Sarybuu. 'Noriko's Midnight Adventure' by @projectTiGER_ 'Yukata Noriko' by @yunyunmaru_ 'Birthday Wishes Noriko' by @thatsheepagain |
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NES Game Aficionado Level: 73 Posts: 93/1354 EXP: 3425938 Next: 59930 Since: 01-02-12 Last post: 2201 days Last view: 1709 days |
What type of level format will it be? Tilemap based?
Since it's SNES, I wonder if you could have the old format intact for things like bonus games, cutscenes, etc. because that's the issue with Reuben's format. If you're going to implement a new level format by itself, we'll have to fix and implement those things to make them work. |
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11 Hit Combo: Mother's Rosario Level: 109 Posts: 382/3393 EXP: 13593655 Next: 365990 Since: 12-30-11 From: Akron, Ohio; USA Last post: 135 days Last view: 3 days |
Mostly we'll have to see when we get into it. I would guess that with the amount of possible room we don't have to remove the code. We should be able to recycle the stuff we need.
As for the format, we've not discussed it, but tilemap is a possibility for sure allowing us a lot of flexibility. Also we've talked about other modes being allowed for custom boss monster support, and some kind of minigame platform too. I've been toying with the concept of an ambitious "Random/Semi Random" mode for a completely unique and challenging take on Mario. At the least maybe a survival mode like 100 man or "until dead". (This is something I put on the *dream list* since this one is a huge challenge to do in SNES code, and make it possibly to play it on the real deal.) The Dynamic Profile Administrator™"Never Knows Best" Note: if you can see this my layout broke. ALL THE CREDITS WILL BE REVEALED!! 'Victory Noriko' by @thatsheepagain. 'Chibi Dance Noriko' by @Haru__Kitsu. 'Deity's Night Out (Featuring Gabbie)' by @thatsheepagain Noriko Emotes by @Haru__Kitsu. Side Bar Noriko by @thatsheepagain 'Noriko's Nature Walk' by @projectTiGER_ Emotive Noriko by @thatsheepagain. "Space Candy Noriko" by BerryVerrine. "Super Sharp Noriko" by Xionfes. A gift illustration from the wonderful EverKinzPony! "Magical Girl Noriko" by @cute_hospital! "Patient Chibi Noriko" by @Ruii_ki! 'Dapper '60s Noriko' by @thatsheepagain. 'Shiny Chibi Noriko' by @inioli. 'Flower Veil Noriko' by @Sushiee_. 'Noriko in Realism' by @_Sarybuu. 'Noriko's Midnight Adventure' by @projectTiGER_ 'Yukata Noriko' by @yunyunmaru_ 'Birthday Wishes Noriko' by @thatsheepagain |
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Not okay Prophet of Celestia Level: 94 Posts: 236/2423 EXP: 8201541 Next: 155116 Since: 01-01-12 From: The Netherlands Last post: 2258 days Last view: 573 days |
I'd hate to sound like a pessimist, but this can only end in tears. |
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11 Hit Combo: Mother's Rosario Level: 109 Posts: 390/3393 EXP: 13593655 Next: 365990 Since: 12-30-11 From: Akron, Ohio; USA Last post: 135 days Last view: 3 days |
Just because something is hard doesn't mean you don't try. Some of the most interesting things come from projects that the odds are stacked against ya.
We fail no tears, it'll be cool. If you fear failure than you don't take risks. Things with a lot of risks can prove to be some of the most fun to work with. The Dynamic Profile Administrator™"Never Knows Best" Note: if you can see this my layout broke. ALL THE CREDITS WILL BE REVEALED!! 'Victory Noriko' by @thatsheepagain. 'Chibi Dance Noriko' by @Haru__Kitsu. 'Deity's Night Out (Featuring Gabbie)' by @thatsheepagain Noriko Emotes by @Haru__Kitsu. Side Bar Noriko by @thatsheepagain 'Noriko's Nature Walk' by @projectTiGER_ Emotive Noriko by @thatsheepagain. "Space Candy Noriko" by BerryVerrine. "Super Sharp Noriko" by Xionfes. A gift illustration from the wonderful EverKinzPony! "Magical Girl Noriko" by @cute_hospital! "Patient Chibi Noriko" by @Ruii_ki! 'Dapper '60s Noriko' by @thatsheepagain. 'Shiny Chibi Noriko' by @inioli. 'Flower Veil Noriko' by @Sushiee_. 'Noriko in Realism' by @_Sarybuu. 'Noriko's Midnight Adventure' by @projectTiGER_ 'Yukata Noriko' by @yunyunmaru_ 'Birthday Wishes Noriko' by @thatsheepagain |
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NES Game Aficionado Level: 73 Posts: 95/1354 EXP: 3425938 Next: 59930 Since: 01-02-12 Last post: 2201 days Last view: 1709 days |
While the project itself is ambitious as a whole, I think if we break it down into seperate simple goals, we will have a much more attainable goal in the beginning. Once we have some accomplishments under our belt, we will have something to say for our progress, which in turn nets more interest from the rest of the community.
So, let's start a simple goal. I've been itching to mess with the title screen data a little bit. What should be the name of this hack? I'm sure I could find some kind of data relating to the title screen. I'm also sure Insectduel has some data regarding it as well, since he hacked it recently for Frank's 2nd SMB3 hack. |
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11 Hit Combo: Mother's Rosario Level: 109 Posts: 391/3393 EXP: 13593655 Next: 365990 Since: 12-30-11 From: Akron, Ohio; USA Last post: 135 days Last view: 3 days |
Indeed it only makes sense to break it a part into Milestone, and tasks and work it one by one (or parts at once) This thread doesn't currently show it as this is a statement of purpose.
The "tentative" title was Kafuka for years. Doesn't have to stay that however. Another good point as discussed on #rom-hacking on esper, ASM side converting all of the 6502/8 bit mode to native could be a good start code side. If we want to accomplish our goals we need to break out any limitations caused by being in a legacy mode. The Dynamic Profile Administrator™"Never Knows Best" Note: if you can see this my layout broke. ALL THE CREDITS WILL BE REVEALED!! 'Victory Noriko' by @thatsheepagain. 'Chibi Dance Noriko' by @Haru__Kitsu. 'Deity's Night Out (Featuring Gabbie)' by @thatsheepagain Noriko Emotes by @Haru__Kitsu. Side Bar Noriko by @thatsheepagain 'Noriko's Nature Walk' by @projectTiGER_ Emotive Noriko by @thatsheepagain. "Space Candy Noriko" by BerryVerrine. "Super Sharp Noriko" by Xionfes. A gift illustration from the wonderful EverKinzPony! "Magical Girl Noriko" by @cute_hospital! "Patient Chibi Noriko" by @Ruii_ki! 'Dapper '60s Noriko' by @thatsheepagain. 'Shiny Chibi Noriko' by @inioli. 'Flower Veil Noriko' by @Sushiee_. 'Noriko in Realism' by @_Sarybuu. 'Noriko's Midnight Adventure' by @projectTiGER_ 'Yukata Noriko' by @yunyunmaru_ 'Birthday Wishes Noriko' by @thatsheepagain |
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11 Hit Combo: Mother's Rosario Level: 109 Posts: 392/3393 EXP: 13593655 Next: 365990 Since: 12-30-11 From: Akron, Ohio; USA Last post: 135 days Last view: 3 days |
I guess I will start with all the information I have discovered over the years. These will be (mostly) unedited sections of my personal notes. We will need to audit them and actually make a revised forum document (in a new thread or a Wiki or whatever we decide) These are all going to be dumps of my notes, so expect duplicate info, NES info mixed in, and everything that comes with it.
tonight I'll give you the first file: Color Header Chart1-1 2E A0 24 B6 E5 27 EA 84 81 01 00 22 05 ok, this is what I have so far.... music object set background image(byte) cloud type(byte) time?start action object/background color horz. start/E color (?) level length vertical start scroll level pointers: Levels Enemies has object type info smb3stuff.wri
more to come! The Dynamic Profile Administrator™"Never Knows Best" Note: if you can see this my layout broke. ALL THE CREDITS WILL BE REVEALED!! 'Victory Noriko' by @thatsheepagain. 'Chibi Dance Noriko' by @Haru__Kitsu. 'Deity's Night Out (Featuring Gabbie)' by @thatsheepagain Noriko Emotes by @Haru__Kitsu. Side Bar Noriko by @thatsheepagain 'Noriko's Nature Walk' by @projectTiGER_ Emotive Noriko by @thatsheepagain. "Space Candy Noriko" by BerryVerrine. "Super Sharp Noriko" by Xionfes. A gift illustration from the wonderful EverKinzPony! "Magical Girl Noriko" by @cute_hospital! "Patient Chibi Noriko" by @Ruii_ki! 'Dapper '60s Noriko' by @thatsheepagain. 'Shiny Chibi Noriko' by @inioli. 'Flower Veil Noriko' by @Sushiee_. 'Noriko in Realism' by @_Sarybuu. 'Noriko's Midnight Adventure' by @projectTiGER_ 'Yukata Noriko' by @yunyunmaru_ 'Birthday Wishes Noriko' by @thatsheepagain |
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NES Game Aficionado Level: 73 Posts: 98/1354 EXP: 3425938 Next: 59930 Since: 01-02-12 Last post: 2201 days Last view: 1709 days |
Man, I'm almost flabbergasted that there's not really an editor for this game yet. I think we should contact whoever has the MushROMs editor and see what we can do with all this. I am getting really excited about this project! |
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11 Hit Combo: Mother's Rosario Level: 109 Posts: 395/3393 EXP: 13593655 Next: 365990 Since: 12-30-11 From: Akron, Ohio; USA Last post: 135 days Last view: 3 days |
My next doc dump.
E-mail Marioexpert to JonWil
MHOUSE.TXTThis is a list of Mushroom house offsets for it's level data
MSTART.TXTMario's starting location on the map (the main part is nes, but the last line is allstars that I found
UHP/Underground hilly pipe (UHB1+2.TXT)
That's it for now. The next set I may need to upload some files. The Dynamic Profile Administrator™"Never Knows Best" Note: if you can see this my layout broke. ALL THE CREDITS WILL BE REVEALED!! 'Victory Noriko' by @thatsheepagain. 'Chibi Dance Noriko' by @Haru__Kitsu. 'Deity's Night Out (Featuring Gabbie)' by @thatsheepagain Noriko Emotes by @Haru__Kitsu. Side Bar Noriko by @thatsheepagain 'Noriko's Nature Walk' by @projectTiGER_ Emotive Noriko by @thatsheepagain. "Space Candy Noriko" by BerryVerrine. "Super Sharp Noriko" by Xionfes. A gift illustration from the wonderful EverKinzPony! "Magical Girl Noriko" by @cute_hospital! "Patient Chibi Noriko" by @Ruii_ki! 'Dapper '60s Noriko' by @thatsheepagain. 'Shiny Chibi Noriko' by @inioli. 'Flower Veil Noriko' by @Sushiee_. 'Noriko in Realism' by @_Sarybuu. 'Noriko's Midnight Adventure' by @projectTiGER_ 'Yukata Noriko' by @yunyunmaru_ 'Birthday Wishes Noriko' by @thatsheepagain |
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Banned permanently: Doesn't get how interacting with people actually works. Level: 24 Posts: 79/106 EXP: 73505 Next: 4620 Since: 07-11-12 Last post: 3441 days Last view: 3062 days |
Sorry about the long time bump but is there any new information gathered from smas ?
I'm highly interested to see this get up off the ground but no one wants to dig for the information. I would do some digging around myself in my own spare time, but I don't know what is currently needed yet. |
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Banned permanently: Doesn't get how interacting with people actually works. Level: 24 Posts: 83/106 EXP: 73505 Next: 4620 Since: 07-11-12 Last post: 3441 days Last view: 3062 days |
Posted by KP9000 I need you to smack your computer screen some and then you with it. Your reply isn't helping much at all kp also to anyone else who may have dug around smas mainly smb1 or smb2.. Would you mind sharing the info to further this project ? I am going to dig more into smas smb2 to see what I can find from the rom address. |
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11 Hit Combo: Mother's Rosario Level: 109 Posts: 2187/3393 EXP: 13593655 Next: 365990 Since: 12-30-11 From: Akron, Ohio; USA Last post: 135 days Last view: 3 days |
Posted by MIGHTY-BLACKDRAGON-Posted by KP9000 Lol. that was meant as a joke I believe. Basically all the information for SMAS SMB3 that we have is in the thread. I do have some on the other games, but I would want that to be requested in another thread as this is just for SMAS SMB3. The Dynamic Profile Administrator™"Never Knows Best" Note: if you can see this my layout broke. ALL THE CREDITS WILL BE REVEALED!! 'Victory Noriko' by @thatsheepagain. 'Chibi Dance Noriko' by @Haru__Kitsu. 'Deity's Night Out (Featuring Gabbie)' by @thatsheepagain Noriko Emotes by @Haru__Kitsu. Side Bar Noriko by @thatsheepagain 'Noriko's Nature Walk' by @projectTiGER_ Emotive Noriko by @thatsheepagain. "Space Candy Noriko" by BerryVerrine. "Super Sharp Noriko" by Xionfes. A gift illustration from the wonderful EverKinzPony! "Magical Girl Noriko" by @cute_hospital! "Patient Chibi Noriko" by @Ruii_ki! 'Dapper '60s Noriko' by @thatsheepagain. 'Shiny Chibi Noriko' by @inioli. 'Flower Veil Noriko' by @Sushiee_. 'Noriko in Realism' by @_Sarybuu. 'Noriko's Midnight Adventure' by @projectTiGER_ 'Yukata Noriko' by @yunyunmaru_ 'Birthday Wishes Noriko' by @thatsheepagain |
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