Happy birthday Dani! Heh. As long as you run some games I have no reservations in such a promotion.

(Note: I've used my BSOD Mood Layout instead of my Happy Birthday one in celebration of your love of all things computers. Enjoy!)

Well I don't follow RT at all, I did hear about this. It's a shame. He was my age to boot. An allergic reaction.. it's sad.

Insurance follows a certain model on purpose. They just want you to pay them for nothing. That's why you should never leave your house or do anything ever. It's not covered. (or die for that matter.. they don't want to pay out for that either)

Not going to happen. It's like killing Mickey Mouse. What kind of business model is that?

Lol I can safely say I also was inactive during that same period, but it's always nice to welcome an old friend. Plus.. anyone who can do a 2001 joke is okay by me.

Welcome, Welcome!

Posted by Nicole

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Posted by Squiddy

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Posted by CherryBunny

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It does, but a low mood can make it hard to identify.

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Well, I guess so then.

Also, a problem in society is abortion. Abortion is the murder of an unborn human. Abortion violates human rights yet for some reason it is legal. And no, anti-abortion is not fascism if it is about human rights. In this thread, I do not see how making abortion illegal is bad. I mean think of it, what if you were aborted? See my point? Abortion is murder. This is coming from me, a woman. I would never have an abortion because I would be murdering my unborn child.

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Executive decision: While in general I do not see why we can't have a serious discussion on the subject of abortion, I'd recommend that it be in a new thread and not in the CitiHall topic, since it is a sensitive subject and others may prefer to stay out.

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Seconded. I'd so far to delete any posts on the subject and ask them to please move the discussion to a thread in the O club. This thread is not suppose to contain anything of a serious nature.

Staplebutter: indeed. I would. Sounds like it's progressed further than our current setup (as suspected).

Posted by StapleButter

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I wouldn't say my code is better or worse, it still lacks some features that are part of 2.5 or even 2.1. It's just following a different direction. Pretty much like ABXD vs Blargboard back then.

However I do think that 2.5 needs simplification. The permission system should be simplified (things like group inheritance are understandable but in practice they tend to overcomplicate things, esp. GUI wise), and some other changes should be done to generally make the codebase cleaner, more consistent and more efficient.

It's still using a ton of queries per page. That's better than storing the entire database in RAM, though.

Also, things like the NEW counters. Those should be static images. In fact: see there, announcement about numgfx. It's kinda like we're going backwards there

The sprite system should be an addon. It's not a generally wanted board feature, it's something that is made for this board and gives it character, pretty much like Board2's dodongos or Jul's Ikachan.

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Sprites are indeed meant to be an Addon.. just we've never really bothered to create an addon system lol. Agreed. I want to have it out for the migration to github so we can not have to flood the tree with BLOB images.

Templates are another thing that's needed. I don't know if you are templateing your fork but I think that's a required step for any real board going forward.

Actually all of the images used are static images pulled with individual Image tags. We Should have limited to no dynamic images save the RPG one on the profile. Really there is no difference on output 1 or a *img src="meh/1.png" /* that's a client side issue.

I agree for the perms, We could limit it down to the point of making sense. Right now if your not familure enough with this code it's like another language. I doubt anyone is doing a spec sheet on it anytime soon. ;D

Actually to be perfectly honest I really think what you are doing for your board is the right path. So you don't really have to twist my arm Lol. I really don't want to abandon what has been done however. If anything Maybe an official fork or revision (2.6) could be done to wrangle it in and not have to lose everything put in already.

I don't have the time to code anymore. Really I only have enough to time to put in my two cents. My goals from now on to audit code I get and approve or reject it. (Which as you can see are slow as I have about 30 commits from Squiddy that are just sitting there)

So what do you propose (in full)?

Well I would rather an Intermediate or higher skill level person tackle that one as it's such a linchpin of the board it needs to be designed, than executed with optimizations on the fly. If you try to do it too 'green' it could end up becoming a bear that eats you.

Acmlmboard 3.0 requires dedicated coders. Last time I checked we don't have enough of those to fill a thimble. (and that's with me included). I think you are absolutely right, but we should only start that if it's going to have the support it needs to succeed. Also I feel we should at least one dev with the python experience to make the code solid from day one. Otherwise we could repeat a mistake that experience would have prevented us from doing. That's not a requirement though.. part of learning is just doing it. Again another factor is I am not in a position to give the time required myself either. I don't have to be for the project to start, but I also can guide it from a mile away either.

A 2.6 rewrite of the PHP board is feasible but the same constraints apply in terms of my time. A real plan would have to be drawn up and we would have to focus on making it lean; removing pointless functions; condensing functions, and make it rock solid.

How is blargboard a failure? I mean people use it don't they?

Edit: Python works with any DB. you aren't stuck with PGSQL

Posted by StapleButter

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Hell we could base if off Ninji's bitBoard. If we got rid of SQLAlchemy that is.


Sure, it's possible to write shit code in any language, but PHP makes it easier to mess shit up. It was built for quick dirty coding, and it shows. Any sane language offers some safety, PHP doesn't.

* use an undefined constant? or typo in a constant name? instead of throwing an error like any sane language does, it assumes you meant the corresponding string (for shit like $array[blarg]). It throws a notice but that's all.

* variables are more or less the same, any non-existing variable is automatically created with an empty value, you don't really declare variables

* function names are case insensitive, but everything else is case sensitive (what?!)

* OOP feels... tacked on, as if you added some weird plugin to PHP

* then there's shit like magic_quotes and register_globals, but those are being removed


The only thing PHP has for it is that it's present everywhere and gets you going quickly.


As for Blargboard, well... this sums it up well.

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I have thought about bitboard. It's an option indeed. We wouldn't have to start from scratch and Ninji's code could has a chance to continue on. It's not off the table..

To add PHP is a terribly inconstant language that was based off of three totally different language types. I am not a fan of it at all. It is indeed quick to pick up and is often a person's first language in this day in age. What sucks is it allows a lot of things other languages would have issue with.

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Most of the people who download forum software expect to be able to run it and customize it without needing to edit code or open PMA. It's a tough market.

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Well that's why 2.5 is heavy on the perms and such. However it's not even middle ground of what people want so it's kinda just.. eh. I really don't care if this project is a popular board. Frankly I just want to make sure it exists for those who do want to put the time in to maintain such a board. I also don't want Acmlm's work to die. That's all this is and ever was. At first we did try to make it more inclusive and try to make something that maybe would be considered in a more mainstream way. However if you checkout the code I made sure to tag every major version so that if you wanted to go wind back to very day that we got the code from BH you could (without having to sift the git log or look for the commit hash). That's real goal. Make sure the code sit on some guys HD for ever and no one can ever do anything else with it.

Also for the record I thought Blargboard was successful project. It's by far the most sane and useful of the AB/AB clones for an end user. Sure you still have to mod the files and do a lot of work, and that seems to turn people off. You what, that's fine. Forget them. Just because a project aren't successful in the one area (in this case public option/adoption rates) does not mean it's a failure. Did you have fun doing it? Did you learn something while doing it? Than it's all good. Decided that stopping the project and moving on also doesn't mean it's a failure. You just found something that fits better or gives you more enjoyment/learning chances/etc.

Very nice.

For the bots and guests you could religate that to a system that actually just flags someone one or the other and have it handle it and not the perm system. The most important thing that the bots perm does here is prevent nesting cal caching, and to block counter incrementing for guests for a better and more accurate count.

As long as you put together some way to edit the bitmasks a guide or a tool I think it's not a problem. You would want to make an board tool if you ever go public with that system of course.

bitmasks were the other method I had in mind a long time ago when we first started drafting the perm update in the chatter stage. I have a lot of experience using them in my RO and IRC days.

Are you going to forgo the idea of the Root level or are you going to add that as well? I find that coming from so many experinces with I1 that it's good to have something like that. That's why I brought the concept over from ABXD. Orginally Acmlm and I had a few lines hard coded that always set our IDs to the admin pow level.

Well done. If we go forward with Python I don't think we should limit ourselves to just talking about the two. However I like the form of this one

In this business you can't be disheartening by lolipants. It's going to happen. All of that stuff will put you off indeed. But I can respect your reasons. It's hard not to lose motivation sometimes. Sometimes you have to shut out the noise and just go with your guts.

The actual full time team is selective and is done though evaluation of past work + pull request quality. If you want to contribute you can do pull requests on bitbucket now. (anyone can). I will warn you I haven't been able to work on AB so the pull request backlog is long so I may not respond to any requests right away..

The one thing you can do is a have "registration Required" board with maybe one forum or announcement section to explain that it is so. That's just simply making all but those private forums.

Right now 2.5 is an example of the board bring run completely from the the permissions system. That actually in practice can be a bit much. It's nice for flexibility but we did kind of make it too complicated with less gain than we could have with a more concise system. Don't get me wrong I designed the initial specs and Bouche created the current system. He did a good job I think. But perhaps next time a bit more of a conservative mindset would prove better overall...

Posted by StapleButter

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Don't be hard on yourselves guys, flexibility is always good. The real challenge is creating an interface that exposes all of the system's power and doesn't suck.

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Oh I don't mean to sound like I am hard on ourselves or anything like that. I like the system. I just think that to make things easier over all it we could narrow it down. IE: Practicality comes with a more narrow scope.

Hmm.. take a left next to the pit of despair.. than a right by the euphoric fridge. If you look north you'll see the searing sun of anger.. Avoid that and vising the sea of tranquility. It's cool there..

Posted by Database

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Bleh, I'm so unmotivated to do anything lately. I work like 60+ hours and it feels as though creativity is dead for me.

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Even working 40 hours can do that to you let alone 60+ I only work 40 but since I do so much at work I am just out of it by the end of the day.

Happy Birthday! I hope it was pleasant and filled good times.

Welcome to Kafuka. Make yourself at home! These Acmlmboard things all run about the same. On PHP and a little silly ;D